World Records

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  1. Mighty_Emperor

    Mighty_Emperor Beloved of Ra

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    I suppose this could turn into a bit of a rant but it has been niggling me for a bit (and I have mentioned it in passing). On Challenge TV in the UK they are showing the US show "Guinness World Records" which has genuine feats of people pushing the limit of their abilities (as the book and the British series did) they also have other records that are purely on for their freakshow value and tend to be:

    1. Potentially dangerous - the Guinness Book of Records wouldn't have records that were potential dangerous or would encourage people to get themselves killed in the process.

    2. Silly and made up purely to have someone come on and do something daft.

    3. Almost definitely some kind of trick.

    Some examples:

    Now world's fastest wheelie seems like a legitimate endeavour.

    The regurgitator doing 'the most coins regurgitated to order' is really pushing the limits of what is human endeavour and what is a trick (see another thread on him) as well as being silly and made up.

    'holding molten lead in the mouth for the longest time' is clearly a trick dating back many years and was exposed by Houdini (see the same thread mentioned above).

    The most shrimp (prawns) eaten by a duck from a human mouth (the point I gave up watching tonight) just seems utterly pointless.

    'The most scorpions held in mouth' and 'the largest scorpion held in the mouth' seem very unwise.

    This might seem nitpicking (and in some ways there has never been any hard and fast rules and some stunts have been dangerous or a bit silly but this has really pushed things beyond what I'd find acceptable) but the Guiness Book of Records has been the arbiter of the extremes of human endeavour - there were always very old people but if Guiness didn't find the documentary evidence convincing they were out of the running. This kind of made up stunts and fakery are clearly going to hose away their reputation and where exactly do we stand then? What is the authority on these matters that we can defer to?

    Are there alternative organisations? Should their been a Fortean Commission for Extreme Human Endeavour? Should I not really worry about these things as there are more important things happening in the world?

    ;)

    Emps
     
  2. Anonymous

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    Norris McWhirter.
     
  3. Mighty_Emperor

    Mighty_Emperor Beloved of Ra

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    DD: My concern is that the US versions descent into a freak show (not that I'd really mind that kind of show but I just don't think it can be fitted into the Guiness format) territory will cheapen the whole Guiness name and by extension Norris the Nazi.

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  4. Anonymous

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    "Norris the Nazi"? Is this another childhood allusion shattered?

    I'd think the use of Guinness is trademarked, so there must be some kind of endorsement (and an enormous wedge of greenbacks stuffed into the Guinness family pockets). And yes, they've tightly regulated against encouraging acts which are dangerous to themselves or others, gluttony, .etc.
    The authority, as I'm sure you know if you've been kicking around these shores for a while, is completely subjective. I don't know of anyone outside Guinness, or even how Guinness itself conducts its "official" work.
    Commerce is at the heart of this one - attract the punters with a sub-par Jackass with a pinch of X-Files and Ripley's Believe it or Not. The acts they do and the freaks they exhibit are, I'm sure, just for entertainment purposes and will in no way appear in the book. Unless a record attempt has Norris there with a stopwatch or Roy egging them on it'll never be official in my book. :p
     
  5. ogopogo3

    ogopogo3 Justified & Ancient

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    Norris hasn't even been listed as the author on the newer books for quite some time.
     
  6. Anonymous

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    As far as I can remember Norris McWhirter was involved in a very dodgy right-wing organisation. I'm not too sure of the veracity of this but the story was certainly doing the rounds in the 1980's.
     
  7. Rrose_Selavy

    Rrose_Selavy Justified & Ancient

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    He was once Chairman of the Freedom Associaition,
    http://www.tfa.net/
    it's a mixture of right wing , so-called Libertarian, anti EU campaigners -


    The book doesn't allow dangerous records now but you get those on the TV shows.
     
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    Jerry_B Antediluvian

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    His brother had alot of ties with Loyalist groups in Northern Ireland.
     
  9. Anonymous

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    which is why the IRA exed him on his doorstep one day....!
     
  10. Mighty_Emperor

    Mighty_Emperor Beloved of Ra

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    Sorry Norris the Nazi was our 'affectionate' name for him in our house when I was growing up. Just to continue the information but when his twin brother was assassinated he knew at that moment which gets him into the annals of twin telepathy (I believe one of the recent books on this subject reviewed in FT mentions this incident.

    See:
    http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_McWhirter

    On to the legitimacy of the US show 'Guiness World Records' a search for:

    guinness book of records

    bring up:

    http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com

    which is in the Google/DMOZ directory:

    Kids and Teens > Entertainment > Television > Reality Shows

    Although so is Junkyard Wars (the US Scrapheap Challenege) so that might not be significant.

    And this redirects to the above domain:

    http://www.guinnessrecords.com

    The latest version of the Guinness Book of Records is called:

    Guinness World Records 2004 (Guinness Book of Records)

    see:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1892051206/

    and this has been the case since at least 2000

    Technically the website carries on the old tradition of the Guiness Book of records with things like the longest female beard:

    http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/index.asp?id=54276

    But as the TV show of the same name is syndicated all over the world and appears to be the only televisual mouthpiece then I must assume it is legit and that when they declare people the Guinness world record holder for X then that is official (althoug whether it makes it into th book is another thing).

    I suppose this comes back to the question of their authority:

    And I suppose they have only been the authority on this because they say so and there is no independent assessment of how they condust their work they could really do anything they like. It might just be some kind of childhood susceptibility to authoritarian figures but if Norris didn' give it the thumbs up then they could whistle. I sort of thought that FT relied on Guinness for things like establishing the oldest person, etc? Might have to check that.

    I suppose I might be getting concerned over nothing but I have always considered Norris and the other Guinness Book of Records 'officials' to be, essentially, like the Olympic Committee of extreme endeavour. I suppose I just bought their hype :(

    Ahhhhhhhh the FAQ shows why not all records go in the book:

    http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/faqs/FAQ_Answer.asp?ID=7

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    My point gets a mention at the start of the Simpsons episode "Take My Wife, Sleaze"

    Episode guide:

    http://www.snpp.com/episodes/BABF05

    Spoof records included:

    Man with least number of faces (none)

    Smelliest tumour removed from man

    Emps
     
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    The human obsession with the freaky, bizarre and odd.

    They get ratings, ratings get them ads, ads get them money. The media loves you!
     
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    zarathustraspake Ephemeral Spectre

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    I bet he didn't look his best when he took the speedos off though. :twisted:
     
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    That Titon chappie seems to suggest it is a matter of training but other reports say it is down to his rather unique physiology:

    http://news.independent.co.uk/people/pr ... 334815.ece

    www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7001577856
     
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    Record-breaking Mentos and coke explosions
    24/04/2008
    "It was to be one of the biggest science experiments ever seen yet there was not a bunson burner or test tube in sight.

    Around 1,500 students kitted out in waterproof ponchos discovered exactly what happens when you drop a mint sweet into a bottle of Coca Cola, in an attempt to break a world record.

    The students, from Belgium, tried to out-fizz the previous record for so-called Mentos fountains by simultaneously putting Mentos mints into bottles of the soft drink.

    The resultant chemical reaction shot hundreds of streams of carbonated soda into the air.

    The explosive record-breaking event was held in Ladeuzeplein square in Leuven, Belgium. "

    Article:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... oke123.xml

    Video:
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  18. rynner2

    rynner2 Great Old One

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    I'm reviving this old thread, because TGBoR is still an ongoing thing, and because it might cut down the number of separate threads on The World's oldest, youngest, shortest, tallest, etc, etc...

    ..plus a mixed bag of new records has just shown up:

    Guinness World Record for bearded woman Harnaam Kaur

    A model with six-inch long facial hair has become the youngest woman in the world to have a full beard, according to the Guinness World Records.
    Body positivity campaigner Harnaam Kaur, 24, from Slough, Berkshire, said it was "humbling" to be included.
    She described her beard as part of her quest to overcome years of bullying to cope with her appearance.

    Other record breakers added to the list include the longest pet cat and a high-jumping llama.

    Ms Kaur has polycystic ovary syndrome, a hormonal condition that can result in the growth of excess facial hair.
    In March 2016 she became the first female with a beard to walk the runway at London Fashion Week.

    The record for longest domestic cat currently alive goes to a 3ft 10.59in (1.183m) moggy from Wakefield, West Yorkshire.
    Ludo, a Maine Coon, was no bigger than other kittens in his litter when he was taken home by his owner Kelsey Gill in 2014.
    Ms Gill now has to use a dog carrier for the supersized cat and a dog harness to accommodate his length.

    Also making the list is Caspa, a nine-year-old high-jumping llama who can leap a bar 3ft 8.5in (1.13m) high.
    The animal, which lives on a farm in Porthmadog, North Wales, has been described by his owner as a "total diva" and the envy of all the other llamas on the farm.

    The record for the fastest speed achieved on a monowheel motorcycle has been set by a team at Elvington Airfield, North Yorkshire.
    Kevin Scott, from Lincoln, achieved 98.464 km/h (61.18 mph) on a bike built by UK Monowheel Team.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37305050

    Photos and videos on page, and links to longer articles.
     
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    DUBAI: A Sikh temple in Dubai on Thursday broke the world record for serving breakfast to the maximum number of people from diverse nationalities.

    The temple was awarded a Guinness World Record after serving 600 people from 101 countries an hour-long continental breakfast.

    The temple broke the previous record of 55 nationalities sharing a continental breakfast, organized by Nutella at the Milan Expo in Italy in 2015.

    The Khaleej Times reported that schoolchildren, government officials and diplomats attended the event while Indian Ambassador to the UAE Navdeep Singh Suri was the chief guest. ...

    http://www.arabnews.com/node/1084436/offbeat
     
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    Hannah Faulkner Junior Acolyte

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    Is he nuts or just milking it for all its worth?

    A Cook Islander has become the first ever world champion in the sport of coconut tree climbing, it's been reported.

    George Iona emerged the winner in a field of 16 entrants, winning by the smallest of margins, Tahiti's Radio 1 reports. He scaled the eight-metre (26.25 feet) tree in 5.62 seconds at the event in the garden of the Tahiti Museum. His time was just one hundredth of a second ahead of American Samoa's Fiapa'i Ellio, the pre-race favourite.

    The objective of the new sport is simple, Tahiti TMTV says: Climb the tree as quickly as possible, with each climber being given two attempts to post their best time. The winning tactic appears to entail wearing a loop of rough rope around the ankles, allowing better purchase on the trunk. ...

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-40629686
     
  22. Coal

    Coal Polymath Renaissance Man

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    There'll be a kernel of truth in that story.

    Here's a coconut for ya;
    CNV00079.JPG

    Guess the country and the year...
     
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    Heckler The unspeakable mass

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    Given the lush tropical setting, beautiful blue skies and verdant coconut trees, I'm going for Western-Super-Mare, yesterday?
     
  24. Coal

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    Close, but no coconut...
     
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    I'm doing a marathon DJ set for charity in a few weeks, hopefully it will all be video-streamed to the internet so you might be able to experience it for yerself!

    Anyway...I've got a mate who works at Guinness World Records, so I thought I'd check it out. Longest DJ Set! It would be pretty cool to be a world holder. I was planning on doing 12 hours straight, all vinyl, how long could the current record be?

    Ten days.

    Ten days.

    Granted, it was digital not vinyl, he was allowed a five minute break every hour, an hour break every 24 (or 12, can't remember), but the music had to be continuous, at least one person had to be dancing at all times, and he wasn't allowed to repeat a tune for at least four hours. And he wasn't allowed to sleep (he started hallucinating after day 5).

    Still...

    Ten days.
     
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    I assume by the time he reached the tenth day he had been reduced to playing The Dooleys and Liquid Gold records.
     

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