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  1. rynner2

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    Well, it's only a stream, a bare trickle. And it needed reinforcing to take the weight of passing Juggernauts.

    But never fear, go to Truro, Helston or Troon in Cornwall (and maybe other places too) and you'll still see water running down roadside 'kennels'.
     
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    I remember water lanes (I think) in Guernsey too :)
     
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    An impressive underground network of tunnels and caves, curiously filled with vintage cars and forgotten World War II relics, lay forgotten under the ancient city of Naples.

    By Elizabeth Warkentin
    14 October 2016

    In cities as old as Naples, residents have become used to unearthing classical Roman treasures, antiquated cisterns and other historic artefacts underneath their homes when it comes time to renovate.

    More unexpected, however, was the accidental rediscovery in 2005 – when government geologists were checking the conditions of some quarries beneath the Monte di Dio neighbourhood – of an impressive underground network of ancient passageways, curiously filled with vintage cars and forgotten World War II relics, 150m below the Piazza del Plebiscito.

    Constructed in 1853, the multilevel, 1,022sqm Bourbon tunnel network – today known as the Galleria Borbonica – was built by Ferdinand II of Bourbon, who, fearful of a revolution, needed a subterranean passageway large enough for troops and horses to travel from the Royal Palace to the military barracks.

    Later, beginning in the 1930s, the tunnels were used as a warehouse for impounded and contraband vehicles since there was little available space in the tightly packed city. The passageways and cavernous chambers finally served as an air raid shelter during World War II, before being sealed off in the early 1950s to be forgotten forever.

    But in 2012, Tonino Persico, a 90-year-old survivor who remembered hiding down here during the war, contactedNeapolitan geologist Gianluca Minin, who was leading the excavation of the rest of the tunnels, to alert him to the existence of a bomb shelter below the Palazzo Serra di Cassano, a palace behind the Piazza del Plebiscito.

    It took three years for Minin and his team to clean the area of debris, but in December 2015, the Galleria Borbonica museum launched the deeply affecting Via delle Memorie tour that commemorates the lives of those who sought refuge here. ...

    http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20161011-an-ancient-world-concealed-underground
     
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    The BBC link is one of those International ones which is not available in the UK.

    The Via delle Memorie link has plenty of images and a general search for Galleria Borbonica will bring up lots more.
     
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    That must be the explanation, link works fine for me.
     
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    Many years ago I was In the AFS and was told of but never saw that there were
    tunnels under the Dean St Victoria Station area of Manchester, used for training
    accessed from steel doors in the side of the river, some were just tunnels thought
    to be used for moving animals to markets from the river without driving them through
    the streets others were buried streets with the old buildings still there that had been
    covered over for new buildings.
    The Williomson tunnels in Liverpool now have a web site,
    http://www.williamsontunnels.co.uk/view.php?page=about
    Theres supposed to be a tunnel from the church to the tower at Top o The Cross
    Radcliffe Lancs a mate tried to get access but he was refused the rumor being
    the last person down there came back raving mad.
    There are supposed to be tunnels from the Parish church in Bury to the Two Tubs
    pub then to the sight of Bury Castle and the Athenaeum, never managed to gain
    access but a level headed barmaid that used to work at the pub told me she had
    seen a Cavalier walk out of one wall and into the other in the pub cellar.
    There are rumors of tunnels around the sea front at Fleetwood, possibly to give access
    from the now demolished rail station to the North Euston or some say to do with
    smuggling but I have not been able to find out more.
    Interesting things tunnels.
     
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    There has been some demolition going on around Cheetham's School of Music recently. I could see the top of an archway has been uncovered, perhaps a cellar or one of the tunnels which riddle the embankment in the Cathedral area.

    I visited the Williamson tunnels a couple of years ago. They hope to excavate and make public much more of the workings but it is very much a shoe-string operation. They have sometimes hosted pop-concerts and Halloween parties down there. It's certainly worth a visit, with masses of bottles and crockery piled up. Williamson himself remains something of an enigma motivation-wise but he was almost certainly developing earlier structures where Liverpool's characteristic red sandstone had been mined.

    I love tales of secret tunnels which attach themselves to churches and cathedrals. Uncovering any underground passage in the vicinity is taken as evidence it was part of a network. Subsidence, bricked up portals, dead ends just seem to encourage our dreaming. Pubs are also key features in the underground imagination; their cellars are for real and may be extensive. I suspect a lot of them were storage areas. Deansgate is supposedly riddled with such storage areas and Kendals' subway under the road was one I remember using in the days it also occupied what is now Waterstones on the other side. It has been closed for about twenty years to the public. The truth of these structures is undoubted though they have given rise to the tempting rumour that a subterranean road runs the whole length of Deansgate. Solid evidence of this is rather lacking, alas!

    One underground street that is certainly real is the old Victorian shopping subway in Southport. Shops are rumoured to survive, though in the current over-supply of retail space, dreams of uncovering this curiosity seem further away than ever. :(
     
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    Man rescued from 50 foot mineshaft in St Just
    By RWhitehouse | Posted: November 06, 2016

    A man had to be rescued after becoming trapped in a 50ft mineshaft in St Just yesterday afternoon.
    Firefighters were called to Cot Valley near St Just at around 3pm yesterday after reports of a man being stuck in a 50ft deep shaft.

    A fire crew from St Just, a technical rescue officer, the rope rescue appliance, and a support pump from Tolvaddon all attended the scene to help rescue the man from the dry shaft.
    The man was uninjured and had climbed down into the mineshaft but then found he was unable to get out.

    A spokesman for the fire service said: "Firefighters used shacs packs and lines to carry out an assessment of the addit, before one firefighter was lowered into it to rescue the male.
    "The male was rescued uninjured from the addit. Crews left the scene at 6pm."

    http://www.cornishman.co.uk/man-res...t-in-st-just/story-29872033-detail/story.html

    I blame Poldark! There have been several episodes covering his adventures and problems with his mine...
     
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    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    I was looking for this thread the other day, but didn't find it!
    Thanks for finding it for me.

    A feature on Liverpool's mysterious tunnels:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37868742

    Oddly, one of those tunnels has a lot of china and bric-a-brac on display, with no explanation.
     
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    Ok so, disclaimer - I haven't actually tried to use this, because it doesn't work on my phone. Anyone give it a try and let us know if it's any good?

    The Guardian are trying their hand at virtual reality. This is (apparently) A virtual exploration of London's sewers.

    "Take a journey through the subterranean labyrinth of London's Victorian sewers with urban explorer and geographer Bradley Garrett. The experience begins below the streets in one of London's lost waterways, the river Fleet, and continues through the blood sewers underneath Smithfield meat market and down to the floodgates of the river Thames."

    http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...eality-by-the-guardian?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    It could be good!
     
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    Birmingham's nuclear bunker ..

     
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    Under Dublin. Shame about the idiotic MTV styling. It could have been a good doco. Turn the sound down and it improves. Wallies.
     
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    Man who used life savings to buy a field discovers ruins of an entire lost city under the ground
    Lydia Willgress
    3 January 2017 • 6:47pm

    It is an unusual decision and, possibly, one that you might come to regret; using your life savings to buy an empty field.
    But for one history fan it was a decision that paid off - after he dug it up and discovered it was home to a medieval city.
    Stuart Wilson paid £32,000 for the 4.6-acre plot of land in 2004 after becoming convinced an ancient industrial town called Trellech - one of the largest medieval towns in Wales - may be buried underneath.

    The 37-year-old had been digging in the field opposite following a tip- off from a local farmer when the land went up for auction.
    He said he had looked at the area and realised it did not look typically agricultural, with large, square fields. Instead, he thought a "footprint" had been created by a structure under the ground.

    After putting in the highest bid and winning the plot, the former toll booth worker had to live with his parents so he could finance the field and only managed to move back out last year.
    But he said his decision was worth it, as his team have since found a moated mansion, around 400 square metres in size, and rare artefacts including a medieval flower pot.

    "Out of all the decisions I have made in my life I would say buying the field was one of the good ones," he said.
    "I have to say that even with all the problems that I have had or that may occur, it was definitely the right thing to do."

    As well as living with his parents, Mr Wilson said he has also turned down jobs he may have otherwise applied for in order to keep working on the plot.
    "I should have really bought a house and got out from my parents', but I thought: 'To hell with my parents, I will stay at home and I shall buy a field instead," he said. "People said 'you must be mad'."

    Mr Wilson, who started excavating with a small dig in 2004, said the "quite large" settlement, which dates back to the 13th century, would have had a population of around 10,000 people, making it around a quarter of the size of London.

    "This population grew from nothing to that size within 25 years," he said. "Now it took 250 years for London to get to 40,000 people, so we're talking a massive expansion.
    "And that's just the planned settlement. The slums would have been quite numerous. There you would be talking even 20,000 plus. It's a vast area.
    "If you're working in the fields you are living hand to mouth every single day - it's a really hard existence. Suddenly, a big industrial town comes here, this is a great opportunity for you.
    "You up-sticks - to hell with your land - 'let's move to the industrial town where the opportunity is'."
    He explained the settlement was the home of several Norman lords of the De Clare family, who used it as a place to mass produce iron.

    Its precise location has not been known for hundreds of years after the city was lost to civil war and famine in the 17th century.
    Archaeologists and university officials had supposedly located the industrial city near the present village of Trellech in Monmouthshire, but Mr Wilson disagreed.
    "We knew from history that Trellech should have been the largest in the area," he said. "What they had found was not big enough."

    In the last 15 years, Mr Wilson has been joined by hundreds of volunteers - both from the local area and, in the summer, from universities and colleges - as they unearthed what he now believes is the hidden city.
    The excavation has been featured on BBC 4's Digging for Britain series, while Mr Wilson was also invited by the Cardiff Archaeological Society to speak at Cardiff University before Christmas.

    Mr Wilson estimates the project has cost around £200,000 in total over the last 15 years. He is now seeking planning permission for an education centre.
    He said: "As we take more on, there's a greater need to expand our campsite and while there are several campsites within a walkable distance, it would be better to have something here."

    [Drone video]

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...avings-buy-field-discovers-ruins-entire-lost/
     
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    In Japan they can repair humungous sinkholes, earthquake damage, etc, sometimes within about a day. But in Cornwall things are more leisurely...
    Resident says contractor repairing hole in St Day road has worked 10 hours in 10 days
    By wbchris | Posted: February 06, 2017

    A fed-up resident has blasted sub-contractors brought in to repair a mineshaft which opened up in the road outside her home saying they have completed just 10 hours' work in 10 days.

    Carol Williams lives in a property on Telegraph Street, St Day, where a mineshaft suddenly opened up in March of last year. Last month work got underway which will eventually result in the road being fully opened to traffic and nearby houses made safe.
    However, frustrated at the slow pace of the work carried out so far, Mrs Williams has produced a log recording when sub-contractors turn up and knock off each day.
    The detailed account shows six days when no site work was carried out, and other days when the site was closed before 4pm.

    Carnon Contracting has been sub-contracted by Cornwall Council contractor Cormac Solutions Limited and Mrs Williams said she was fed up with having her life on hold and just wanted to get back to normal.
    The construction site is located right outside of Mrs Williams' house and she can no longer access her drive as a result, instead having to park in an improvised space nearby.
    "I cannot tell you how sick and tired I am of this saga and I just want them to hurry up and finish the work," she said.
    "Cormac arrived on January 5 to set up the site and they were excellent, but the pace of work since then has been painful. Work is most definitely not progressing on a daily basis and the parking space they've temporarily given me is in front of a holiday home so I'm not sure what the owner is going to think when they come down in February half term.
    "I appreciate there will be blips and some downtime but 10 hours' work in 10 days is very poor and I often see people stood around. I've rattled cages every day but so far very little has been done."

    Mrs Williams has also been putting together a petition against the length of the works, which are predicted to last 10 weeks, saying that she hoped the 60-plus signatures she has collected already would help bring about an increase of urgency among the contractors.

    Cornwall Live has approached Cormac Solutions Limited and Carnon Contracting for comment.

    http://www.cornwalllive.com/residen...s-in-10-days/story-30114831-detail/story.html
     
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    It's l
    It's like a triumphant episode of that detectorist TV show, but without metal detectors.
     
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-38991458
     
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    What I get when I try to copy the photo:
    Men playing Pool...

    But..

    A group of real estate agents who live in underground bunkers play billiards at a local establishment.
    And that's the caption on the webpage!

    But it looks like snooker to me! :p
     
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    If you look at the ball at the top left, it has a white circle with a number in it. So, either pool or billiards.
     
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    Good stuff. As a young boy I lived in Malta, just south of Valetta. Went back for a holiday a few years ago and visited the famous Hypogeum (had to book my ticket a couple of months in advance).

    http://heritagemalta.org/museums-sites/hal-saflieni-hypogeum/

    An amazing place! Sadly you are constrained to the tour guide's route though. A few feet to the left of our path, I caught a glimpse of a ladder leading down into a large hole/tunnel with some illumination down there, but the public is not permitted to visit the lowest level. It is rumoured that a whole labyrinth of tunnels spread out extensively under Malta from here and there is a legendary case of people disappearing down there back in 1940.

    http://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2004-04-11/local-news/The-Mystery-of-the-Hypogeum-65879
     
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    A thriller novel I've just started reading - The White Road by Sarah Lotz has a very creepy and claustrophobic opening sequence set in a cave. It rang faint echoes of something I'd read a few years back and, after a little digging (no pun intended), I found it. It was bumped by Creepypasta some time later, but the original Ted's Caving Page "blog" is here and I can recommend it to all fans of underground Fortean tales!

    http://www.angelfire.com/trek/caver/page1.html
     
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    Been into the public areas of those and other cave systems but never
    fancy diving through or squeezing through the smaller passages,
    I remember 2 or 3 potholers loosing there lives like this, one got
    stuck and though they had metal brackets made to hook over his
    shoulders he was head down, they could not get him out and
    they ended up concreting him in, safety must have improved
    as you don't hear about things like this often now.
    Think they still have a open day at Gaping Gill were you can be
    winched down once a year but it's not for the faint hearted.
     
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    Coal Sure, we're all wrong. Makes complete sense.

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    There is nothing that would induce me to go potholing.
     
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    The Weirdstone of Brisingamen. The part where the dwarves help the children escape, I had to stop reading and go calm down for awhile repeatedly.
     
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