Time Or Dimensional Slips

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  1. XBergMann

    XBergMann Fear not, I mean no harm to your planet

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  2. CuriousIdent

    CuriousIdent Not yet SO old Great Old One

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    A friend of mine (and sometimes forum poster here) knowing that we were gathering up Timeslip accounts in this thread, linked me to the Woolwich footbridge piece on that site, over Christmas.

    I think that were were both a *little* skeptical about it. It's interesting to now know with certainty that the site is a work of fiction.

    But as the blogger who runs it says they're kinda surprised that it was the Woolwich story which seemed to grab people's viral attentions. While I guess it's not really a TimeSLIP story I think it does tread that line of semi-credible intrigue which you'd want from a good Fortean Story. But one which, sadly, is not real. :)
     
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    You don't have the "Need to Know"
    I'll write more slowly.

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    Their online archive is actually pretty substantial, and by and large there aren't just dates given for photos but also notes for context on most of them.

    I don't *think* I spotted a below surface cafe... ;) But like I say there might be something down there which jogs NumberNine's memory. :)
     
  6. Mr_Nemo

    Mr_Nemo Abominable Snowman

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    I was going ask was there a train going past, but as you said, you can't remember much about the surroundings.
     
  7. NumberNine

    NumberNine Junior Acolyte

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    Thank you for putting the time in to find these CuriousIdent. I'll have a look through the photo archive.
     
  8. NumberNine

    NumberNine Junior Acolyte

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    Some great photos, but none of the area concerned.

    Came across this account yesterday while searching for more details about Mr Squirrel and the disappearing shop, haven't read it before. Frustratingly vague, a London building;

    From "The Encyclopedia of the World's Greatest Unsolved Mysteries" by John and Anne Spencer, published 1995

    Vera Conway arrived in a London building for a music lesson. She went to the first floor; mistaking directions, she entered a door between the two cloakrooms. She found herself in a theatre, but realized that the audience was in period dress, possibly from the Regency period. A man approached her wearing breeches and powdered hair. There were no electric lights, just lanterns. Vera felt strange, but no one appeared to notice anything amiss about her. Realizing all was not right, she left the theatre and returned to the reception to ask again for directions. She later returned to that corridor and determined for certain that there was no door between the two cloakroom doors.

    https://www.unexplained-mysteries.c...th-century-guests-stay-in-19th-century-hotel/
     
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    Brief. But intriguing nonetheless.

    I wonder if that one appears anywhere else?
     
  10. Carl Grove

    Carl Grove Ephemeral Spectre

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    I haven't found it anywhere else. I think a lot of the Spencer material came from personal communications.
     
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    Yes. That could well be the case. And unless those were to published in full this may well be all we've got, then. A shame.
     
  12. henry

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    ive been thinking about timeslips recently

    maybe timeslips ≃ deja vu ?
     
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    ... in atmospheric surroundings
     
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    I'm inclined to think not. But I think I know what you mean. The concept that a human brain could have absorbed information about a place and its past, forgotten about it, but then recalled it at a later date.

    So, for example, knowing that a shop used to sell something different from what it sells now. Or knowing that a pub used to stand on this spot. Or knowing that this village was once awarded a Britain in Bloom award.

    It's not implausible that knowledge of these places or experiences has somehow been absorbed by the brain, forgotten about, and then somehow been recalled to the forefront of the brain as some kind of visual and/or auditory hallucination.

    It wouldn't, however, explain cases where a physical component has been involved. Consuming food or drink. Buying things. Harder also to explain when a second or third individual also shares the experience.

    I mean group hallucination is not implausible. But I personally find it harder to suspend disbelief at that point. :)
     
  15. EnolaGaia

    EnolaGaia I knew the job was dangerous when I took it ...

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    That's certainly one interpretation of how time slips may result from a deja vu style experience. However, I'm not sure that's what henry meant.

    For example - one could just as easily suppose henry was insinuating the time slip experience was itself a deja vu or equivalent false memory.


    henry:

    Can you describe in more detail what aspect(s) of deja vu (or similar experience) you see as relevant to reported time slips?
     
  16. Carl Grove

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    I'm not sure what Henry is getting at either, but in any case, I'm not so sure that "deja vu" = "false memory".
     
  17. EnolaGaia

    EnolaGaia I knew the job was dangerous when I took it ...

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    The notion of 'deja vu' has become so bent out of shape that some reported instances end up being framed and debated in terms of incorrect and false memories. Conversely, the originally broad and general label 'false memory' has come to be narrowly defined with respect to (e.g.) regression therapy and traumatic past experiences.

    I can't think of any play on the concept of deja vu which doesn't imply partial or total reliance on memory for framing the purported implications of an anomalous incident (time slip or otherwise ...).
     
  18. Carl Grove

    Carl Grove Ephemeral Spectre

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    Memory is clearly central to every report of an experience. As I see it, one theory of deja view (that some kind of delay in processing a stimulus leads to the memory processing preceding the perceptual experience and producing the feeling that you have experienced it before) has come to dominate our thinking, when nobody has explained which mechanisms are malfunctioning and how, let alone done any experimental studies to confirm it! It sounds plausible, but that's all. My own theory is that we may be remembering precognitive dreams, but I have no firm evidence either....
     
  19. EnolaGaia

    EnolaGaia I knew the job was dangerous when I took it ...

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    Agreed ...

    There are multiple spins on the deja vu phenomenon, leading to multiple ways deja vu might relate to time slip reports. For example, one might postulate that a retrospective time slip experience could be a deja vu experience that escalated to the point one doesn't just believe current perceptions repeat something encountered earlier, but proceeds to believe he / she is somehow actually / literally shifted into the past.

    It's more difficult to figure out how deja vu may relate to alleged slips into the future.

    That's why I'm interested in learning more about henry's take on a possible connection between time slip experiences and deja vu.
     
  20. Carl Grove

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    And to add to the complications, how would this relate to those cases where the witness doesn't realise he/she has had a time slip until after it's over?
     
  21. EnolaGaia

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    Good point! Delayed realization pushes everything into the shaky realm of memory ... :willy:
     
  22. henry

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    but really there is only memory ... been at a funeral today

    this is pretty much what i meant, an interior experience not unlike deja vu, which no matter how we subjectively describe deja vu, if youve felt it, you know how convincing it is, its real as anything

    could be catalysed by surroundings, not necessarily prior knowledge but perhaps suggestion

    either way its experienced solo, no more capable of being truly shared than deja vu

    so corroboration is just people going along with it
     
  23. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    currently reading it
    but i have to say i dont agree with a bunch of points (my personal theory is that its all interdimensional and that torsion fields are trash science)
    however i have to say that you ruined your credibility a lot by mentioning the "bell" and then running full speed into irrational conspiracy territory
     
  24. Carl Grove

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    Well, there are quite a few multi witness cases, so I think its more than "going along with it" -- in fact, that aspect would have to be telepathy.
     
  25. Carl Grove

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    Of course, you are entitled to your point of view. I'm not sure where I have got into conspiracy territory though..
     
  26. henry

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    folie à deux
     
  27. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    there we go just finished reading it!
    and i must say, it got better after the bell part, way better
    but i still think you should remove it or place in an adenddum as doubtfull information
     
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    It's not implausible. But there are a number of accounts in this thread which have involved 2 or more people. For example the Coachman story from King's Lynn which involved 3 people, the Iowa lift home from the past which involved 3, or the Avignon Hotel experience which involved 4 people.

    The more people who are involved the harder I find it to believe that a mass hallucination is the cause. Its easier to pass off something like the Paris in Haiti story as being like that. A wife corroborating what her husband claims, but without going into much detail beyond 'I saw it too'. But if you have multiple people who are able to give more detailed explanation of what they experienced - and those details match up - it's much harder to justify like that.

    Of course it's always going to be difficult to get testimony from those individuals separately. And to compare accounts of the same events in take in isolation from the rest of the 'group'. :)
     
  29. Carl Grove

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    Have you read Witkowski's book? There's nothing doubtful about the existence of the Bell: the main point of contention is what it was intended to do. It was the only research project in Nazi Germany to carry the classification "Decisive for the War."
     
  30. humanoidlord

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    witkowski's source are very likely suplying him with misinformation, the nazis neither had an antigravity device neither an time machine, though i am pretty sure both USA and russian have the former nowdays
     

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