The US Presidential Election 2016

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  1. ramonmercado

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    The Queen reacts to Trump's Ambassador suggestion.

    007: Trump, Ma'am?
    QUEEN: Yes. And don't bother making it look like an accident.

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  2. drbates

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    The BBC is starting to annoy me...they have Letters from America this week and so far both contributors have been anti-Trump. Add that to allowing Adam Gopnik to rant in a frankly offensive manner and you have to ask why are the BBC so upset that America has had a democratic election?
     
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    Not snowflakes, election lawyers and computer scientists are suggesting a recount in three States.

    Activists Urge Clinton Campaign to Challenge Election Results in 3 Swing States

    By Gabriel Sherman

    Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned. The group, which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked. The group is so far not speaking on the record about their findings and is focused on lobbying the Clinton team in private.

    Last Thursday, the activists held a conference call with Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias to make their case, according to a source briefed on the call. The academics presented findings showing that in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000. While it’s important to note the group has not found proof of hacking or manipulation, they are arguing to the campaign that the suspicious pattern merits an independent review — especially in light of the fact that the Obama White House has accused the Russian government of hacking the Democratic National Committee. ...

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...ge-election-results.html?mid=twitter-share-di
     
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    That is interesting. No hanging chads this time. i don't hold out much hope though.
     
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    Wisconsin: America's top voting-machine security expert says count was irregular; Fed judge says gerrymandering was unconstitutional

    ...In related news, a federal judge has ruled that the Republican state government of Wisconsin undertook an unconstitutional redistricting project in 2012/14 that gerrymandered the state for the GOP, so that the Dems' 2012 popular vote of 51% only won them 39 of 99 seats, while the GOP's 51% in 2014 got them 63 of 99 seats. The Wisconsin AG has vowed to appeal to the Supreme Court, and in any event, the district court judgment does not affect the 2016 vote. ...

    https://boingboing.net/2016/11/23/wisconsin-americas-top-voti.html
     
  6. kamalktk

    kamalktk Justified and Ancient

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    Some results from Wisconsin:

    unofficial results, 1516 ballots; 1949 Pres/VP; 1369 Trump, 493 Clinton, 87 other.
    http://gis.outagamie.org/ElectionReports/01%20President%20Vice-President.pdf

    official results, 1516 ballots; 1484 Pres/VP; 904 Trump, 493 Clinton, 87 other.
    https://gis.outagamie.org/ElectionR...icial Results - Nov. 8, 2016 President-VP.pdf

    Two things of interest. In the unofficial results there were roughly 30% more votes for President than there were ballots. Of the 465 votes removed when making the count official, every one was for the same candidate.
     
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    More from Wisconsin
    on passing Voter ID law:
    "Grothman said, 'What I'm concerned about here is winning, and that's what really matters here. ... We better get this done quickly while we have the opportunity,'" Allbaugh said.
    http://archive.jsonline.com/news/st...s-in-federal-court-b99726100z1-379657961.html

    "In comments made to TODAY'S TMJ4's Charles Benson on election night, U.S. congressman Glenn Grothman (R-Campbellsport) said he thinks Wisconsin's new voter ID law will help the eventual GOP nominee win in the state."
    http://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news...-will-help-eventual-gop-nominee-win-wisconsin


    http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...ays-voter-id-law-hurt-citys-turnout/93607154/

    What happens when strict voter ID laws are passed?

    "Democratic turnout drops by an estimated 8.8 percentage points in general elections when strict photo identification laws are in place,” compared to just 3.6 percentage points for Republicans."
    http://pages.ucsd.edu/~zhajnal/page5/documents/voterIDhajnaletal.pdf
     
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    My two-cents on the suspicions of fraud and foreign interference during the US presidential campaign :

    Julian Assange definitely acted to have Hillary Rodham Clinton not elected by releasing many incriminating files, but until now there is no evidence that he was helped by Russians.
    It remains possible that they were involved, as they too had every motive to hamper her campaign. But presently, leads would rather point towards insiders from the Democratic Party, Assange having even named a leak who was found killed three months ago, Assange suggesting that it was as a result of hacking the files ; and towards disgruntled FBI agents, worried by the levels of skullduggery reached by Clinton's circles and their ties with islamists. It is not impossible that they worked with some Russian services, but they did not act as the 'hand of Russia', at most it would be a pragmatical cooperation based on mutual benefits.

    Suspicions of electoral fraud, including computer electoral fraud, were present in almost any previous US presidential election, usually in favour of the Republican candidate (I believe that the Ohio vote in 2004 was stolen, and there was a topic on this board relating to the theft of votes in favour of Obama in 2008, despite that he won). So that the new accusations rely on an old tradition. Until now, no election has been cancelled on this basis, and it is unlikely that it will be the case this year. But if fraud there was, it would be in all likeliness the doing of local Republican officials, acting to support their candidate and not at the bequest of Russia.

    Clinton's attempts to blame Russians for her every trouble were rather comical as well as pitiful, and unsuccesful by the way. But despite her failure, she appears to have gained adepts ; after Germany, the fashion of incriminating Russians for any electoral result that would not please the elites reached France – alas, ridicule does not kill :

    https://francais.rt.com/international/29425-apres-brexit-trump-francois-fillon-aide-trolls-poutine (in French)
    Read also :
    https://www.rt.com/news/367837-fillon-putin-friends-media/
    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/368057-french-people-sacrifice-putin/
     
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  9. Brig

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    Unfortunately you cannot believe anything you hear anymore and less than half of what you see. Heck they had an exposure on Michelle Obama proving she was actually a HE. I do not like Obama or the way he has trashed America; but neither do I believe that Michelle is actually Michael. False information from all sides is resulting in total chaos. It is becoming scary.
     
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    "Two teams of independent researchers found that the Russians exploited American-made technology platforms to attack U.S. democracy...

    The researchers used internet analytics tools to trace the origins of particular tweets and mapped the connections among social-media accounts that consistently delivered synchronized messages. Identifying website codes sometimes revealed common ownership. In other cases, exact phrases or sentences were echoed by sites and social-media accounts in rapid succession, signaling membership in connected networks controlled by a single entity.
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    Some of these stories originated with RT and Sputnik, state-funded Russian information services that mimic the style and tone of independent news organizations yet sometimes include false and misleading stories in their reports, the researchers say....

    A former U.S. ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul, said he was struck by the overt support that RT and Sputnik expressed for Trump during the campaign, even using the #CrookedHillary hashtag pushed by the candidate."

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/p...ad-fake-news-during-election-experts-say.html
     
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    In what way do you think he's trashed America?
     
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    It's utterly incomprehensible to me why anyone would think being friends with the Russians is worse than fighting on the same side as ISIS.
     
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    Nephilim Theorists Say Donald Trump Is God's Instrument, Claim Rabbis Believe He Is the Messiah

    ... It goes without saying that the dimmer among the Religious Right can’t quite push their minds to think beyond the outright lies that Trump himself tweets out with regularity. L. A. Marzulli, who is increasingly refashioning himself as a Trump apologist rather than a Nephilim theorist, actively embraces Trump’s lies and justifies them as a hidden truth. In a blog post yesterday, Marzulli repeated Trump’s lie that millions of votes for Hillary Clinton were cast illegally, and he repeated Trump transition officials’ allegations that the Democratic Party and Pres. Obama fabricated Russian election hacking to excuse Clinton’s Electoral College defeat: “This is the last—trust me it won’t be—in a series of ongoing media spins to de-legitimize the TRUMP landslide.” Trump, who lost the popular vote by more than 2.5 million votes, won the Electoral College, but his margin of victory is not by any measure a landslide; his electoral victory was smaller than most presidents, and his popular vote loss is the largest of any winning candidate. Only by embracing a lie—that Clinton’s votes were fraudulent—can Marzulli create the fiction of a landslide. “Trump stated that the election process was rigged and he’s right.”

    But it is more disturbing that Marzulli has embraced a conspiratorial view of the election that is part and parcel of the same conspiracy that David Wilcock embraced a few days earlier. Wilcock imagined that the world is controlled by Satan-worshiping liberal Democrats (the rest of the world, of course, lining up behind American political divisions) and that Trump is true avenging angel who stands outside of the stranglehold that Luciferian leftists have on government and society. Marzulli offers an only slightly toned down version of the same claim: ...

    http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/n...rument-claim-rabbis-believe-he-is-the-messiah
     
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    So... a document dump has been published online and reported on by BuzzFeed, without any verification or checking whatsoever, but that purports to detail the level of interaction and cooperation between the Kremlin and the Trump machine, specifically regarding the exchange of information, the compromise of Clinton and compiling and content of a dossier of 'kompromat' — compromising material — on Trump.

    It goes into quite a bit of detail of the usage by the FSB of state-controlled hackers, compromised overseas ethnic Russians and others as state actors in their schemes.

    It is on the one hand the stuff of espionage movies, and on the other possessing a ring of truth that also comes with a fair echo of 'too good to be true'.

    The plot is now thickening like a pleasing stew.
     
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    US President-elect Donald Trump has suggested American intelligence agencies may be responsible for releasing an explosive dossier containing allegations that Russia holds compromising information about him.

    In a dramatic press conference in New York, the billionaire tycoon branded the unverified dossier “fake news” and said it would be a “tremendous blot” on the agencies’ reputations if they were shown to have leaked it.

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...dossier/ar-BBy9b04?li=AAaeUIW&ocid=spartandhp

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...d-trump/ar-BBy9b04?li=AAaeUIW&ocid=spartandhp
     
  16. MungomanII

    MungomanII Mostly harmless...

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    Usually, with a situation like this being promoted by governments and news outlets, there's often something more nefarious going on.

    I wonder what it is this time...
     
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    I'm looking at Vladislav Surkov for the lead in all this.
     
  18. Brig

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    We already know the present occupiers of the White House cannot be trusted. So if the Republicans turn out to be the same way we really are shux out of luck. Would it not be wise to at least wait and see what unfolds rather than running amuck on innuendo and rumor?
     
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    If America can survive 8 years of Atheistic Socialism; The country should be able to hold together with Trump.
     
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    Comparisons are odious.
     

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