Discussion in 'Ufology' started by Mighty_Emperor, May 27, 2006.
I'm sure I've read something on this before (possibly in FT) but...
It's a shame they didn't include a photograph of one of the suits so we could judge for ourselves how 'alien' it looked.
If those firefighters also travelled around in a glowing silvery cigar-shaped aircraft, that would wrap things up nicely.
Some kind of fire-fighting Zeppelin, perhaps?
Grrr! I just prepared a reply full of references but then clicked the wrong button and dumped the lot.
Not impressed. Doesn't explain the schoolkids' sighting, or even mention the teleported cattle.
The Harrier was well known right from the start - it was never a secret project, having evolved out of the Flying Bedstead. And like all jets, it is very noisy. Is there any proof that any were operating in the area at the time? Smacks of "It was Venus!"
http://www.geocities.com/visitorsfromsp ... _wales.htm
(Search on Welsh Triangle for earlier comments - various threads)
I don't think anyone mentioned that a Harrier is not a triangle
It does look like a triangle from certain perspectives.
http://images.google.com/images?lr=&ie= ... a=N&tab=wi
I've seen planes coming into land at Heathrow (with the sun behind them) that look like gold tinted discs (classic saucer shape). Great effect, not good to oggle while driving down the M4. :?
Anyone who has ever read 'The Welsh Triangle' by author Peter Paget. Could tell that this only explains a single aspect of the high strangenes that went on in this area. From teleporting cows, to craft seen entering the sea regularly, and much more. Its really worth a read, though you may have to scour second hand bookshops to find it.
Ahhhhhhh I thought it was triangle as in Bermuda Triangle - places with weird happeneings try and tag traiangle on if they can pin it down to a well defined area,
Triangles of lights could be from light on the wing tips and the nose of the plane perhaps. I don't know enough about harriers to comment about that though.
Anyway as its Wales shouldn't it be triangll?
Yes, the Triangle title does refer to an area of the world (a la Bermuda Triangle), and not to the shape of any UFOs reported there.
(The schoolchildren's sighting was a classic flying saucer. See the link I gave above.)
Sorry I've been waiting ages to sing that.....
As you were.
In one of Jenny Randles' books - I can't remember which one - she 'explains' the Broadhaven saucer as a delivery truck!
(Edit: I got this completely wrong. The article was actually written by Hilary Evans, and he suggests it was a vehicle from the local sewage works.)
Although that seems a bit ridiculous, on the other hand I've never been too impressed by the schoolchildren's drawings. They really don't look that similar to each other. They look like the kind of drawings you'd expect to get if you asked any class of kids to draw you a flying saucer.
IIRC, the kids were asked to draw what they saw, and I believe it was the headmaster who asked them to do this.
Yes, quite so. Four of the drawings are reproduced in The Unexplained with a caption claiming that they are "remarkably similar" (one is missing on the page you linked to, and unfortunately I can't scan them in myself). They all show a circular-shaped craft, but other than that there are considerable differences between them. Three show a cupola (one including a multitude of windows in the cupola); one doesn't. Three show a central door; one doesn't. One shows the saucer standing on legs; the rest don't. One shows a rather thin, elongated saucer; the other saucers are quite 'fat'.
The object was sighted during the lunch break, but then the boys saw it again as they were leaving school at 3:30pm.
It was also spotted by a pair of canteen workers, who thought that it was a vehicle from the local sewage works - and still thought so even after being pressurised by UFO investigators to change their minds.
Personally, I'm not sure quite what to make of it.
Not highly revealing, but here's a clip of the witnesses being interviewed:
I remember the Corwen incident, I and some mates were walking down the Rock Bury
and this thing went across the sky going roughly South, looked like a big bullet about
10/15ft round with a blunt rounded nose but short in relation to it'd diameter, It appeared
to be very hot, white at the noes and going through blue to red in bands towards the rear
were there were sort of flapping flame effects that looked like something you would expect
from something moving much slower than the thing was.
The day after there were reports it had crashed on the hills above Corwen but later it was
claimed it had crashed into the sea.
Lights a bang and a tremor followed by a fire on the hill's above Corwen were reported
as well as locals being ordered off the hill and military activity.
The official story at the time was a meteor had entered the atmosphere causing the lights
and bang and a small earth quake had happened at the same time the lights on the hill
were said to be poachers, no one believed the official story much but in those days we did
not have the net so communications were poor compared to today.
I could quite easily be convinced the thing we saw was a meteor if nothing else were reported
but there were lots of sightings and the goings on around Corwen were a bit to much of
a coincidence I think there was more to it that we were not told.
That really does sound like a meteor to me. Perhaps you were lucky enough to witness the trigger phenomenon that caused the various reports.
I don't think UFO reports really work like that. The military might turn up and do all sorts of bizarre things in response to a UFO report; but they are just as clueless as the rest of us, and all they do is cause more unsubstantiated rumours. If it were a meteor, it probably never reached the ground, or plopped harmlessly in the sea; the squaddies would almost certainly find nothing.
Broad Haven UFO sighting marked 40 years on
One of my favourite UFO stories, as just two years later I found myself living in the 'Welsh Triangle', and was able to visit the various sites involved. The UFO sightings were the least of it - most baffling were the cattle transportations.
There are a couple of other threads that touch on various aspects of this topic:
(and probably a few more).
'Allegedly' it wasn't unusual for the earthquake monitoring gear at Wlyfa to register 'earthquake-like activity' which was generally resolved by calling the MOD and asking if there was anything about that might make the sort of 'boom' a hypothetical faster-than-sound aircraft might make during a fast run up the Irish sea. Allegedly, the answers were along the lines of "Nothing at all flying in your area. But I can tell you that it wasn't an earthquake".
Worth noting btw, that the Luftwaffe, in the run-up to WWII carried out high quality reconnaissance photography of most of the UK. The pictures are now a wonderful resource for people studying changes in landscape use in the UK.
Another vague memory comes to me, but I'm unsure how (or if) it fits with everything else in the Welsh Triangle area: apparently the US Navy based at Brawdy had underwater hydrophones laid out in St Brides Bay for tracking and monitoring submarine activity.
Wow! I just tried a quick DDG on this idea, and the first hit that came back was this:
The US Navy base, next to RAF Brawdy in Pembrokeshire, was officially an "Oceanographic Research
Station", though it has long been know that it was a processing centre for a network of underwater
microphones, some of which were submerged off the British coast, listening to submarine movements in
(Includes a lot of photos, c. 2002)
I'm not as senile as I thought! Perhaps I need a lie-down now...
Full story here http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/mystery-ufo-spotted-welsh-schoolchildren-9796524
The only new thing there is the fortieth reunion. But at least it does form a compendium of the various stories we've heard before.
"The children all drew the same UFO"
They drew a remarkably varied assortment of UFOs, all versions of well-known styles in popular culture. Even the two on that page are not alike.
One of which scared me to death at the time.
Indeed. In 1979 C3PO and an Imperial Stormtrooper visited a small Devon village -well my stepbrother and I entered the carnival in hastily made Star Wars fancy dress, and what's more I have a photo to prove it. Where is the evidence for the assertions of these would-be hoaxers? Not even a single yellowing photo on a pub wall or in a dusty album?
Having worked in village pubs in the past, what I do know is that there is a great deal of local historical revisionism that takes place amongst the regulars, and plenty an old soak happy to take credit for past happenings if spurred on by the suggestions of others. Yes, many aspects of this flap were exaggerated, not least by investigators, but I'm not convinced by this claim.
I was quite excited today to have located my copy of 'The Welsh Triangle' by Peter Paget - a book which entertained and also deliciously scared the heck out of my young self in 1980 or thereabouts.
Disappointingly, I now suspect that the author may be a bit of a fraudster, having tried to sit through such tedious presentations as the following - and from a bit of internet 'research'.
Shades of Jay Anson / Charles Berlitz etc...
Personally, I think a case of extreme confirmation bias, something a lot of such ETH proponents suffer from
The Dyfed Enigma by Pugh and Randall was rather more subjective, and in my opinion closer to the truth.
The Uninvited (not sure of author) was a great read but unfortunately at least one entire chapter was fabricated for dramatic effect (onboard the UFO) and thus its more of a novel than an investigation
But yes, I was 9 when this story broke and it scared me rigid, too!
Yes indeed; the luminous 'spacemen' (partly explained by local prankster) and so on were wonderfully worrying at that age and I still find the flap a fascinating one.
Don't know the two other books you mention - I'll certainly try to check 'em out. In the YT lecture I posted P.Paget alleges that all unsold copies of 'The Welsh Triangle' were pulped by order of shadowy government spooks. Unfortunately I ran out of patience before getting to the bit where he reveals *shock horror* their sinister anti-Paget motives.
As for the scenario and tabloid hysteria in general, I find it hard to dismiss the apparent sincerity of the Coombes family (what would they have to gain by making stuff up?), but of course people do such things, or are simply innocently mislead and mistaken.
Interestingly, Pugh and Randell report the Coombes family had previously experienced paranormal activity of the poltergeist variety, so maybe an unwitting window for... whatever
My money is on a few solid events that were widely exaggerated by the media, locals and investigators and perhaps crudely copied by a hoaxer or two. Personally, I veer towards the paranormal as opposed to ETH UFOs.
Incidentally, I read somewhere that of the schoolchildren, only about four actually saw the object, but being so young the teacher/s allowed all of the kids to draw the sighting, hence the (no doubt imaginary) Spock-eared alien and dicrepencies in object shape
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