Thaumaturgy

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  1. minordrag

    minordrag Justified & Ancient

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    Can someone help explain the intersection between thaumaturgy and coincidence or synchronicity? Does the above definition not stretch the canonical definition of "miracle?"
     
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    Dang it, meant to put this in Esoterica.



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    Coincidence and syncronicity are, IIRC, more to do with perceived order from randomness, whereas thaumaturgy involves a definite intent.
     
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    James_H And I like to roam the land

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    In Colin Wilson's "the occult", he cites a couple of cases that might demonstrate that anyone can do healing, if they put their mind to it. I can't remember the name, but one was a former acolyte of Blavatsky's who pretended to be a thaumaturgist, and was somewhat shocked when he began to properly develop these powers! v interesting indeed.
     
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    There is remarkably-little mention of thaumatugy on the forum...or of thaums (which I had not connected back to that word)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_elements,_materials,_isotopes_and_subatomic_particles

    'Thaum' is defined by Pratchett within the Discworld universe as being "the basic unit of magical strength; it is the amount of magic needed to create one small white pigeon or three normal-sized billiard balls. The Thaum has been shown to be made up of Resons in the Unseen University's High Energy Magic Building".

    [A 'reson' is considered by Pratchett to be the fundamental particle making-up the Thaum, in the same sense as the (real)-world quark. Allegedly its name means "thing-ies", and it exists in five "flavours" or types: Up, Down, Sideways, Sex-Appeal and Peppermint]

    I always remember being astounded at the audacity of the company Thaumaturgy (UK) Ltd, who used to sell electrically-operated automatic air-freshners for lavatories (amongst other obscure janitorial supplies).

    I'd like to think that if commercial miracle-working became a reality, it would extend far beyond air-freshners. But it's nice to know that there is a Pratch-unit, for measurement naming purposes.
     
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    Theurgy is using ritual magic for uniting yourself with the divine. Religion is from the Latin Re (again) and Ligio (joined) representing a reunification with the source of creation. The Mass is technically a form of theurgy, and the Church drew on the tradition of theurgy when creating the ritual of marriage in early Christianity (Jesus made no provision for a marriage ritual in his teaching so they had to make one). Thaumaturgy is using ritual magic for other (non-religious) purposes. Thaumaturgy is supposedly very mathematical. Synchronicity is the occurrence of events that appear contextually significant to each other but have no causal relationship. These meaningful coincidences are often cited as the proof that a magical working is either in effect or has been completed. The notion being that in the Kabalah, that one follows the synchronous path of emanations to get the miracle. Psychologists often say this is a product of Confirmation Bias which is the tendency to assume that all outcomes in favor of your beliefs are evidence, while discounting all outcomes that do not conform to this assumption. That particular accusation can cut both ways however, as Jung was wont to demonstrate on occasion to Freud. Hope that helps a bit.
     

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