Sonic Weapons

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  1. Analis

    Analis Justified & Ancient

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    Or is it just a flase flag or made-up accusations ?
     
  2. Yithian

    Yithian Bless you, Anti-Pesto! Staff Member

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    Having had time to think, I think my two favoured explanations are:

    1. Actual sonic device employed by dissident elements in Cuban secret services--with or without Russian assistance.
    2. LSD or other hallucinogen in the water supply and some form of subsonic trigger brings personal or mass hysteria.
    I wouldn't expect a real explantion until the historians get the declassified files though!
     
  3. kamalktk

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    Ulalume tart of darkness

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    Hmmm...it's all a bit perplexing - there's no way you wouldn't notice that sound if you were exposed to it at dangerous levels. It'd be intolerable pretty quickly. On the meter, it seems to peak around 7khz which is easily audible. The man later in the clip is talking about frequencies above the human hearing range which in exceptional cases would be around 20 khz. For most people it would be somewhere in the 15 - 20 khz range.

    I don't think that's cleared the muddy waters much.
     
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  6. Yithian

    Yithian Bless you, Anti-Pesto! Staff Member

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    Might it be possible--I have minimal understanding of acoustics--to mask the sound by broadcasting it in an environment where another sound of lower pitch and greater volume is already being produced?

    The small-but-deadly spider that goes unnoticed because there's an elephant in front of you.

    There are a number of constant sounds that we aurally 'tune-out' on a daily basis; if the sounds were curated to match and interact with background building noises (air-conditioning, fans, pool filters, elevators etc), could the effects be generated more covertly?

    Bespoke Sonic Assault.
     
  7. maximus otter

    maximus otter Recovering policeman

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    You don't have the "Need to Know."
    As a sufferer from tinnitus due to decades of shooting, I experience that 24/7/365.

    Perhaps a career in the Diplomatic Service awaits.

    maximus otter
     
  8. hunck

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    I think if you were producing the 'white noise' sound at levels enough to cause hearing damage, masking it with a louder sound of a different set of frequencies would just deafen you in a different fashion. The other sound would have to be even louder & even more intolerable.

    Constant sounds such as fans, air-conditioning, are generally at low background levels & your brain can filter them out. On the recording, there's no other sound apart from the white noise so it was recorded more or less on it's own or it's drowned out whatever else is going on.

    I'm wondering where & when this recording was made, - somebody's house, the embassy, an FBI lab?..why it's not mentioned in the report, & why it's taken all this time to produce something concrete in the story.

    It's not adding up to a coherent picture.
     
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  9. Mythopoeika

    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    I suffer from something similar, although not as annoying as that sound sample.
     
  10. hunck

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    Join the club. You can rub shoulders with fellow sufferers here.
     
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    maximus otter Recovering policeman

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    You don't have the "Need to Know."
    Thanks.

    maximus otter
     
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    RaM Abominable Snowman

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    Many years ago the Americans did some test on supersonic propeller driven aircraft,
    they removed the jet engine from I think a Thunderchief fighter bomber and stuck
    a big turbo prop on the front fitted with a propeller designed to go supersonic,
    the tests were cut short as with the engine running on the ground the noise
    sent anyone anywhere near the thing into convulsions.
    It was nick named the Thunder Screech.
     
  14. EnolaGaia

    EnolaGaia I knew the job was dangerous when I took it ...

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    That would be the Republic XF-84H, based on the F-84 'Thunderstreak'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_XF-84H

    I've seen the last surviving specimen, and it's an odd beast. It had a miserable reputation among the few test pilots who ever flew it, and its sonic effects on people within a few hundred yards were widely reported.
     
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    Micro waves maybe?
     
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    EnolaGaia I knew the job was dangerous when I took it ...

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    I tend to think the white matter anomalies are more consistent with exposure to a pathogen or toxin.
     
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    There was an article in a recent FT that said targeted sonic weapons of the kind that were apparently used were entirely plausible. But to what purpose? It's the why that's the big question to me here. Can't be simple vandalism, can it? There doesn't seem to be anything to gain - unless the victims so far have been test subjects and a bigger target is in the attackers' minds.
     
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    They are entirely real, yes.
     
  20. hunck

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    As has already been said, sonic weapons certainly exist, but you'd know all about it as they're painfully loud.

    What's unexplained in this case is what sort of device could damage your hearing without you being aware of it until sometime later. There's been no plausible explanation for this.

    The why is yet to be discovered as well.
     

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