Saint Tolkien of the Shire?

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  1. MrRING

    MrRING Justified & Ancient

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    EXCITING NEWS! Oxford Oratory, St. Aloysius, hosts first Mass for the Canonisation of JRR Tolkien
     
  2. Hild und hjalmi

    Hild und hjalmi The fantasy-loving singing Valkyrie

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    Wait---- what's the possible basis for making JRRT a saint?

    And also, I'm not sure Tolkien himself would approve of this. He was suspicious of fame and celebrity.
     
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    Min Bannister Justified & Ancient

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    The link just opens a picture for me?

    Also, what Hild und hjalmi said.
     
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  4. MrRING

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    It's a Reddit article, so I may not have linked properly

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/70zkam/exciting_news_oxford_oratory_st_aloysius_hosts/

    And this is the relevant post that I'll link in full because I'm not familiar with the website enough to know if it's easily seeable:
     
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    Surely CS Lewis would be a better choice? Aslan= Christ and all that.
     
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    DougalLongfoot Abominable Snowman

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    Unlikely that the Catholic Church would canonise an Anglican.
     
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    ramonmercado CyberPunk

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    That would be an Ecumenical matter Dougal.
     
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    Ermintruder Existential pixelfixer

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    Whilst I greatly admire all that JRR ever produced, I cannot see any resonance between that, and the divine ideals of sainthood as bestowed by the Roman Catholic church.

    What precise reasons are being cited as their reasoning for considering this? Is the Church attempting to recognise his genius after death, in some curious way, because I didn't think that was what sainthood was about.

    Isn't there meant to be an established sequence of miracles, petitioners, committees of cardinals....sanctification steps?

    Perhaps becomng saintly has itself been recalibrated / recategorised.

    Or is this some fixed lower destination point, perhaps the recognition of past brilliance with a posthumous honorific title?

    I am sure that at one time, strict Catholics might have considered some of Tolkein's fiction to have had some satanic/paganic undertones.

    And although there are numerous moral messages interwoven within his fictional masterpieces, I always understood them to be primarily vessels of fictional conflict in metaphorical proxy for WW1+2, blended with Beowulf/OE /Scando-Norse legends, and having a strong strand of expert ancient linguistics as a foundation.

    More runes than rites...or, is there another aspect to Tolkein that we're all missing?
     
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  10. Steerpike

    Steerpike Man From Another Place

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    Yes, Tolkien has a long way to go if he wants to make it as a saint. This seems to be just one man's campaign at the moment. The first step will be to convince a bishop to petition the Holy See for permission to initiate the process; once that's done, Tolkien will be granted the title 'Servant of God'. Then his life and works will be examined for evidence of saintly virtues; if he passes this stage, he'll become 'the Venerable'. That's when they have to start looking for miracles; one miracle will make him 'Tolkien the Blessed', two will transform him into a bone fide 'Saint'.

    According to their Facebook page, this group have already contacted the Bishop of Portsmouth, where Tolkien died, who suggested they put their case instead to the Archbishop of Birmingham, since Tolkien spent most of his life in Oxford. They're still waiting to hear back from him.

    As you say, I'm not sure what this guy sees in Tolkien's work that strikes him as carrying an overtly Catholic significance, but he'd better hope the rest of the Church see it too. If the Cause for Canonisation goes ahead, everything Tolkien wrote will be carefully scrutinised for its "purity of doctrine". The slightest whiff of heresy will be enough to quash JRR's saintly aspirations for good.
     

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