Robot Round-Up

Discussion in 'New Science' started by Anonymous, Aug 13, 2001.

  1. Mythopoeika

    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    Data is "fully functional and is programmed in many techniques". So I reckon they could get a condom out of a replicator machine.
     
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    Waymarker Devoted Cultist

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    Another thing- Could FT members ever willingly take orders from a robot?
    I have in mind the Star Trek episode where Data is captain of the Enterprise in Picard's absence, and Worf grumbles about it, so Data takes him aside and quietly tells him not to undermine his authority by questioning his orders in future.
    Worf then goes into grovelling apology mode and says "I hope we can still be friends."
    Oh Worf, where's your backbone? In your place I'd have told Data straight out that I could never regard a tin man as my captain, and that as soon as Picard gets back I'm going to request a transfer to another ship that hopefully doesn't have any tin men aboard..:)
     
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    Waymarker Devoted Cultist

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    Yeah and personally if I wanted a woman I'd create a "Dr Quinn Medicine Woman" holodeck programme where I stagger into her surgery with a rattler bite to my calf and she has to suck out the venom, then sit up with me all night as I toss and turn in delirium, dabbing my brow with a damp cloth til the fever breaks while whispering in my ear "Hang in there baby, don't you dare go dying on me, we'll ride this out together".
    Oops sorry was I rambling?
     
  4. Mythopoeika

    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    In the future, when real AI comes into being, this may become a moral question of the day. Will humans acknowledge AIs as lifeforms?
     
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    Waymarker Devoted Cultist

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    Yes there was a storyline about it in another ST episode where thousands of microscopic "nanobots" inadvertently infect the ships computer and systems, so a visiting scientist starts zapping them with rays to save the ship, but Picard goes into "wimp" mode and stops him by saying something like "We don't have the right to kill them if they're a race of living sentient beings".
    Personally I'd have told the guy to keep zapping away til all the little buggers are dead.
    PS- Picard's "solution" was to communicate with the things to point out the error of their ways which luckily made them see sense and saved the day.
     
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    Anome Bibliomancer

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    I seem to recall a scene that ended with her climbing on top of him as the door closed. It was pretty clear what was going on.

    And then there's the deleted scene from Generations where he "negotiates" with the Klingon sisters (nothing explicit, but it's pointed out how violent Klingon sex is known to be, and afterwards his arm falls off). I believe it was cut due to the comedic nature not really fitting with the rest of the film.
     
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    Anome Bibliomancer

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    That's an episode that was mostly salvaged by the Science Advisor. Originally it was going to be dust mites that had evolved to sentience somehow, and he told them that wouldn't work because dust mites don't have enough neurons, and evolution would take much longer than the brief period the ship had been in service. So they shifted it to the nano-bots on the grounds that they were already part-way to intelligence, and an argument could be made for them evolving sentience much faster.

    Not ideal, but it could have been much, much worse.
     
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    Dr_Baltar Left Foot of God

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    I don't know why, but I get the feeling you've entirely missed (deliberately or otherwise) the ethos of Star Trek. ;)
     
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    I just looked up "ethos" in an online dictionary and it came up with-
    "The disposition, character, or fundamental values peculiar to a specific person, people, culture, or movement: "They cultivated a subversive alternative ethos" (Anthony Burgess)."

    If you're saying ST has got some kind of "hidden agenda" to brainwash us poor dumb schmucks I'd like to hear it..:)
     
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    Dr_Baltar Left Foot of God

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    The agenda was never hidden. Despite Kirk/Shatner's best efforts, the ethos of the show was always about treating the new and the different with respect and understanding. It was never about "zapping away til all the little buggers are dead".
     
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    I think all of us go along with the notion of treating the new with respect and understanding so I've got no beef with that, UNLESS they turn out NOT to deserve our respect and understanding, in which case let's get the phaser banks and photon torpedoes into action..:)
     
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    We could even say the same thing about the home computer we're sitting in front of at this very moment!
    To me, mine is just a box or tool, nothing more, but in the future if somebody incorporated PC processors into a lifelike human figure with arms, legs and a face etc, I suppose some people would regard them as life-forms, but I never would..:)
    PS- Some poor misguided schmuck fell in love with a robot woman in this Twilight Zone episode "The Lonely"-

     
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    David Plankton Justified & Ancient

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    That's Jean Marsh. I remember that episode, I've got it on a hard drive or maybe in the 'cloud' thingy.
     
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    That's almost as unkind an interpretation as the idea that Kirk shagged everything that looked vaguely female. It really isn't supported by the actual show. I can't think of any situation where he attacked anything unprovoked. The fact that everyone remembers Kirk as a trigger-happy shagging-machine is a fascinating cultural phenomenon, and isn't a topic to go into on a thread about robots.
     

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