Psychic Awareness In Dementia Patients?

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  1. gattino

    gattino Justified & Ancient

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    My mum is far gone now with her dementia so its been years since she referenced any dead people or unspecified "them" etc. She can barely utter more than a few words of clear English. But when she used to I often wondered whether the increasing detachment between mind and brain, if I can phrase it that way, might open the elderly up to mediumistic experiences.

    Now in a similar vein I wonder if other "psi" experiences may be at work. I've little to go on. But two weeks ago she was taken into hospital, largely based on her body temperature etc, and on suspicion of an infection. But she wasn't outwardly ill or distressed in any way and there was nothing obvious about her admission. Yet once admitted I suddenly recalled that the day before I had clearly heard her say the word "hospital" in the middle of an otherwise gobbledygook casual mumble. She wasn't asking for the hospital, you understand, it was just a word that stood out as she'd never said it before.

    Today, after a district nurse privately expressed concerns about her (more specifically if I wanted her to stay at home if she deteriorates further ) and she later had a coughing/choking fit, in short when the idea that something may happen to require hospitalisation was unspoken but in the air, I again heard her say "hospital", for only the second time ever. Again it wasn't expressed with any tone of facial expression to suggest a request or anxiety. If she is admitted for some reason in the next day or so the suspicion of connection will be hard to resist.

    Anyway I idly googled the subject,and here are a couple or three people with similar observations about family members... http://new-age-spirituality.com/wordpress/content/3687
     
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  2. Mythopoeika

    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    Maybe she IS asking to go to a hospital?
     
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    I can tell you a scary family story about this.
     
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    rynner2 Great Old One

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    Well, don't tease, tell it!
     
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  5. gattino

    gattino Justified & Ancient

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    I can understand you'd think so, but she's honestly not. All other indicators of tone, facial expression, circumstance, language, etc suggest she's not asking for anything in particular. I'm not sure she's capable of even understanding the concept of hospital any more.
     
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  6. PeteS

    PeteS Ephemeral Spectre

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    Terribly sad gattino , you have my sympathies. I'm sure in the distant future a cure will be found but in the meantime there must be a lot of suffering going on. You also have my admiration for being able to look after Mum at home- must be pretty heart breaking to see her in this condition.
     
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    gerhard1 Ephemeral Spectre

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    Gattino, you have my sympathy and my respect.

    I had heard that among various 'primitive' cultures, that those in similar situations are greatly revered for their psychic abilities. So, it is entirely possible that there might be some sort of paranormal phenomenon happening with your mother.
     
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    Eve11 Junior Acolyte

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    It's not dementia related, but a similar concept of when the consciousness may separate from the body. My aunt had heart surgery while in her 80s. She was almost completely deaf, even with an aid her hearing was very limited. When she came round, for hours she could hear (no aid in). She could hear everything, answer questions, reacted to sound. It only lasted one evening and by the next morning she was deaf again. There's no physical way she could of been able to hear. Did the combination of anaesthetic and frailty somehow leave her slightly detached and using some other perception than her ears to hear?
    She also had a number of strokes later that left her resembling dementia, though it was caused by brain damage rather than alzheimers. She came out with some oracular statements in moments of lucidity, some of which I've noted and am waiting to see. Though the warning about s**t going down in 2017 seems to be holding up so far....
     
  9. Frideswide

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    Gattino, thank you for looking after your mum. I worked in elderly care and loved the dementia residents. Difficult but, selfishly, so rewarding. Kudos to you!
     
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  10. Mythopoeika

    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    I think the brain adjusts to a level of volume that allows for protection of hearing.
    When I had my ears syringed for the first time by a specialist, my hearing was just amazing for a day or so. I could almost hear sounds from down the street. Very quickly, however, my hearing 'throttled back' down to a much lower level (i.e. 'normal' for me). This suggests to me that the brain has a limiting mechanism for our senses.
    This may have been what happened to your aunt - maybe being under the anaesthetic had temporarily 'reset' this limiting mechanism.
     
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    *nodding* one of the autistic things is that many of us don't have this automatic self-regulating ability. So that everything comes in at full tilt constantly on all the senses... or that stuff just doesn't register although there isn't a physical problem.
     
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  12. gattino

    gattino Justified & Ancient

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    My track record on predicting my mum's imminent demise is abysmal - i did it 5 years ago and repeatedly for the next 2. I'm always wrong. And its also true to say that any one or group of her recent symptoms fit in with numerous conditions which may be reversible (infection) or livable for some time yet (minor strokes, advancing dementia). Nontheless in combination and given her age the fact is I can't escape the notion she may currently be going through the dying process. I won't go into the physical details but the online checklists of signs of death being near are largely checked, and I expressed it out loud for the first time this morning to one of the carers.

    What's of significance and interest to these boards is what the other carer casually and cheerfully said to me 10 minutes later.

    She said - by way of saying my mum was in a good mood - that when she had told her that they were now going my mum - and I got them to repeat this several times - replied "I've just been down the road with Terry. It was lovely".

    The brain cells firing when I heard this were numerous. I suggested - and they conceded - that it might have been Gerry which they misheard. Gerry was my dad. Talk of going on journeys and dead loved ones is of course a well recognised aspect of the dying process.

    But more than the sentimental and potentially paranormal content of the remark the thing that most grabbed my attention was the very idea she had said such a long and complete sentence at all. It's hard for to convey here that this on current norms seems next to impossible. Her sentences in recent months,perhaps years, have been largely uintelligible with only occasional words in coherent English. Sentences which fit that description are now generally no more than two words long. "go away" or, until recently, f*** off being typical examples. Maybe "I don't want it". And that's before her current unwellness which involves aspiration...she's mumbling or talking like she's gargling water. A complete two sentence phrase like "I've just been down the road with Gerry. It was lovely" is unthinkable to me. They said she was speaking really clearly. I went in..and she wasn't. I don't doubt they're reporting the truth. I just never got to witness or hear for myself what might have been a momentary example of terminal lucidity.
     
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    ^ Wipes small tear away....
     
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    gattino Justified & Ancient

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    She's gone.
     
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    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    So sorry to hear that, Gattino. :grouphug:
     
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    Sorry man ..:grouphug:
     
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    Always an awful time, even when anticipated and seeming a merciful release.

    My thoughts are with you.
     
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    So sorry for your loss.
     
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    I'm sorry to hear that my friend.

    She can now continue her journey unencumbered by the crude and clumsy physical mechanism of the human body and brain. She can now be nothing but pure and beautiful light. Free at last. Bless her and bless you.
     
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    Very sorry for your loss, Gattino.
     
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    Sorry Gattino sad sad time. Hope that, wherever she is now, it came as a bit of a release to her.
     
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    Sorry for your loss, Gattino.
     
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    :grouphug: Gattino
     
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    My condolences to you and your family, Gattino. Take care.
     
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    She is free. Hope you can fly with memories.
     
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    Sending much love and support Gattino xxx
     
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    My condolences ... focus the good times now before all this
     
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    Thank you all, belatedly, for the condolences.

    The funeral is on Friday.

    As with my brother's death last year my instinct on this board is to only discuss any fortean aspects. But as with my brother the absence of anything immediately dramatic, as read in a hundred books (moment of death visitations, the dying reaching out, mists and lights from the body etc etc) is disappointing in terms of the conviction such things would leave on the witness to them. Even her apparent lucidity and referencing my dad and going on a journey with him etc wasn't directly experienced by me, so I'm relying on my imagination as to how lucid it actually was. It did however fit into the general accounts of these things, as it convinced me I needed to tell my siblings to come to the house that day. She passed that evening with us all around her.

    Curious to me, convinced as I am of the casual reality of precognitive dreams, but I didn't even dream about her death or anything related on the nights either before or after the event.

    Some curiosities. No great meaning inferred, but worth noting. The afternoon of her last day as I went the chemist shop for a prescription I cut through a passageway and there was a child of 8 or 9 lying flat on the pavements, sprawled out, face down to the concrete. He/she looked up a few times. As I neared I thought "he'll get embarrassed and get up". But they didn't. Instead as I got close he/she raised their head and explained "I'm pretending to be dead", then put their face back to the ground. There was no one else around.

    Next morning, after the death, a very large pigeon was lying dead, again face down, in our back garden. No signs of mawling. It was just dead. That afternoon as I again passed through the alleyway where the child had been the day before, I came to the lamp-post in the middle of it and looked up to the sound of a robin (see my previous board postings for the personal and wider symbolism of this bird with dead loved ones) landing on the top of the post above me. I stood there for a minute or more looking up at it.

    I'll repeat I'm not suggesting any of these things are remotely spiritual or paranormal. They make no sense if htey were. But they were curious.

    The more concrete borderland stuff has been in the form of other people. Each time I tell the "down the road with Gerry" anecdote the person will reply with one of their own. The lady next door said when her dad was dying he was waving at her invisible mum, and pointing her out to the daughter. My friend's mother in law apparently replied to "we'll see you tomorrow" with "I won't be here tomorrow" and died that night. A sister in law who works in the hospital spoke of someone who had true terminal lucidity and became mentally and linguistically "normal" for several hours. Less reassuring perhaps was friend of my mum's whose sister and brother in law (Trudy and Terry) who reported that the former had said on her deathbed "There's Terry. He's got a wig on.". Er...(and no, he wasn't bald before he died)
     

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