Pornography & ESP

Discussion in 'Parapsychology' started by kevinjwoods, Aug 18, 2016.

  1. EnolaGaia

    EnolaGaia I knew the job was dangerous when I took it ... Staff Member

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    Point taken ... I checked, there is no revised edition listed for this book, and one must conclude the allusion in the Spencer book is not to the more recent work by Daryl Bem.

    SIDE NOTE: I made a point to check another paranormal compendium with an identical title by Rosemary Guiley, in case the OP was referring to that book rather than the Spencers'. Guiley's book contains no mention of erotic / sexual / pornographic anything.

    Having said that ... The perceived utility of using erotic (and / or other emotion-inducing) images in psychological experimentation on emotion, attention, and arousal dates back a long way. For example, Bem's much-publicized experiment(s) relied on images drawn from the International Affective Picture System (aka IAPS), which was in widespread use over 35 years ago.
     
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    There's no need to 'shout' ... :evillaugh:

    Whether or not we were talking about Daryl Bem's work before, we're certainly doing so now ...

    The article cited is not 'upcoming' - it was published in 2011. It was an overview report on a suite of experiments run during the first decade of this century, and it's accessible via the updated link I posted in post #30.

    In the years since the experiments and eventual publication(s), the work has been subjected to severe criticism - not only from diehard skeptics, but also from other experimental psychologists.

    The resulting debates haven't wholly focused on whether or not ESP has been 'proven', because ...

    The reference to 'methodology' in your quote is quite apt, because these experiments were specifically devised to pass muster on canonical methodological grounds. As it turned out, this good news was outweighed by the flip-side bad news - i.e., that this suite of experiments demonstrated deep problems with presumptions about experimental design and the validity / reliability of results.

    In other words, the academic audience realized the thing most clearly demonstrated was that strict adherence to methodological rigor didn't necessarily imply reliability of the results - especially after multiple attempts to replicate Bem's experiments precisely yielded null (or even opposite) results.

    This in turn led to suspicions (within the academic psychology community) that highlighting the methodological issues may have been the point Bem set out to make in the first place.

    For an overview of the whole convoluted story, check this May 2017 cover story from Slate:

    Daryl Bem Proved ESP Is Real
    Which means science is broken.


    https://slate.com/health-and-scienc...ved-esp-is-real-showed-science-is-broken.html
     
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    I AM TRYING TO REPLY TO THIS POST AND IT WAS ERASED - WHY?
     
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  4. EnolaGaia

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    ??? ... What was erased? The post to which you were replying, or the body of your reply?
     
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    Wrote a fairly long reply with a quote - Then, as I always do, attempted to copy it to avoid having it lost
    - copying it erased it and I could not get it back - glitch somewhere ? - I'll try again later.
     
  6. EnolaGaia

    EnolaGaia I knew the job was dangerous when I took it ... Staff Member

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    It's usually the case that FTMB goes down for daily maintenance (whatever ... ) circa 2000 - 2030 Eastern (US) time. The outage typically lasts around 10 - 15 minutes. I didn't notice the usual 'dead space' this evening at the usual time. Maybe the outage occurred earlier tonight (i.e., when you were attempting to post).
     
  7. AlienView

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    OK - cool

    Now we can get back to the issue at hand - I'll sum it up this way: What is the significance of
    pornography and 'esp {the occult} phenomena'?

    And why I said we all missed the significance of the original OP.

    My thesis/contention is that the erotic force that allows biological entities to procreate {breed} is highly
    significant and pervasive - It is more than just the way we perpetuate life - More than just sex
    - it is an 'intelligence' and power of mind phenomena.

    Occultists from the past recognized this - And Sigmund Freud, the 20th Century psychologist , made a
    big issue in his Freudian concepts of Human behaviour.

    Today, in a world obsessed with sex, it is easy to dismiss most Human sexuality as academic and
    insignificant.

    My contention is that Human sexuality is much more than breeding
    - It is a force, a thinking force and power that generates 'Mind' power.

    The fact that ESP mind power can be demonstrated is hardly surprising.

    And a 'sixth sense' can also be expected.
     
  8. jimv1

    jimv1 Analogue Boy

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    Because we’ve all joined SPACE FORCE and it’s now classified.
     
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  9. Swifty

    Swifty Generation Y

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    SPACE FORCE !

     
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  10. AlchoPwn

    AlchoPwn Abominable Snowman

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    IDK about full blown (phrasing, sry) psychokinesis, but there is a link between porn and ghostly rapping noises.

    So y'all joined SPACE FORCE too? I'm going ROTC stream! Jet-boots an' all man!
     
  11. James_H

    James_H And I like to roam the land

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    Is this to do with the Tupac sex tape?
     
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    Your hearing improves to bat-like quality too if your wife is out and you are "working from home", listening for the tiniest hint of the scrape of her key in the front door. Apparently.
     
  13. Coastaljames

    Coastaljames Justified & Ancient

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    Many people use sexual arousal as a catalyst when practicing magic. Higher state of consciousness and all that. So the OP doesn't surprise me at all.
     
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    Even further, and even though there is much science behind sexual reproduction - The origin of sex and
    the genetic experiment that follows still has mystical/magical properties.
     
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    bagins_X Devoted Cultist

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    For instance as a historical example the likes of the Golden Dawn people in the 1920/30s

    Wm.
     
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    Coastaljames Justified & Ancient

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    Yep.

    And me :)
     
  17. Ringo

    Ringo 2% fat free

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    Is that why Debbie McGee was always smiling?
     
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    Coal Polymath Renaissance Man

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    "You'll like this. Not a lot..."
     
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    I believe there are under-used senses left over from our genetic past. Smell is one. And there may be (I stress MAY) be other senses we are no longer aware of. Whatever triggers the fight - or - flight and ''panic' reaction that has been mentioned in many conversations on here might be one. It seems not unreasonable that whatever senses we have are going to be operating at a higher level when doing something perceived as 'bad'. That's been traditional in magical cults for centuries.
     
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    Nice to be quoted - I give quotes all the time - No one here gives a dam!

    The same posters, the Fortean 'in-crowd' continue to give each other likes, no matter how trivial a post is,
    and pay no attention to the alien from the US who they keep quoting but apparently don't like.

    I'm glad your happy with the situation - and hope you keep your 'in-crowd' group going.

    But you notice that when 'Alien Hub' collapsed and you invited their posters over here, and many came
    over - Most of them are now gone!

    So keep liking each other - Make the 'outsiders' feel like two cents - Have fun with each other !!!

    No ESP necessary to discern rudeness!!!
     
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  21. Coal

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    It's worth reading through Lyall Watson' neat book "Jacobson's Organ and the Remarkable Nature of Smell", a nearly defunct smell organ in people, but one which links to the limbic brain. However, we have no conscious knowledge of odours picked up by this organ. Nevertheless we can react to things the organ detects, and pheromones are one of the odours that it appears to detect. I think it might well be at the bottom of some ghost sightings - the limbic brain is being told 'someone's there', so we are in effect 'expecting to see someone'. It might also explain why sometimes we are sure someone is in a space despite out other organs telling us otherwise.

    If I was of a mind, I'd be hunting for a mould or some such that emitted some kind of pheromone-like chemical and is common in (haunted) buildings.

    Respectfully, some simply expected that their unsupported declarations would be accepted at face value and some members here adopt a more empirical approach to the unexplained and with this approach, anecdotal evidence has very little probative value.

    This approach is often taken as a challenge to a personal beliefs and met with hostility and/or leaving the board.
     
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    On the first point - Are you talkikng about what is often called the 'Sixth Sense"?

    "
    1. What is sixth sense?
    Sixth sense, or subtle perception ability, is our ability to perceive the subtle-dimension or the unseen world of angels, ghosts, Heaven (Swarga), etc. It also includes our ability to understand the subtle cause and effect relationships behind many events, which are beyond the understanding of the intellect. Extrasensory perception (ESP), clairvoyance, premonition, intuition are synonymous with sixth sense or subtle perception ability. Throughout this website we use the words sixth sense, ESP and subtle perception ability interchangeably.

    2. What do we perceive and understand with sixth sense?
    The SSRF defines the word 'subtle world' or 'spiritual dimension' as the world which is beyond the understanding of the five senses, mind and intellect. The subtle world refers to the unseen world of angels, ghosts, heaven, etc. which can only be perceived through our sixth sense.

    We perceive the gross or seen world through the five physical senses (i.e. smell, taste, sight, touch and sound), our mind (our feelings), and our intellect (decision making capacity). When it comes to the unseen world or the subtle-world, we perceive it through the five subtle-senses, the subtle-mind and the subtle-intellect – this is what is known as our sixth sense. When the sixth sense is developed or activated, it helps us to experience the subtle-world or subtle-dimension. This experience of the subtle-world is also known as a ‘spiritual experience’. It is through sixth sense that SSRF seekers have obtained Divine Knowledge on different topics such as life after death, kundalini awakening and the coming World War 3.........

    See whole article here:
    https://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/spiritual-research/sixth-sense/what-is-sixth-sense/



    I am postulating that sex and its expression in porn is a different case scenario.

    Sex is a generating force behind most higher forms of biological life - I don't think that is disputable.

    So even though a hightened ESP / Sixth Sense may occur - its importance may be higher than simple...........

    NOTE: I tried to answer part 2 of Coals' post but was logged out the reply was erased.

    You tell me the meaning!!! -- I won't even think of conspiracy - probably just a computer
    glitch, right?
     
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    On the first point - Are you talkikng about what is often called the 'Sixth Sense"?

    "
    1. What is sixth sense?
    Sixth sense, or subtle perception ability, is our ability to perceive the subtle-dimension or the unseen world of angels, ghosts, Heaven (Swarga), etc. It also includes our ability to understand the subtle cause and effect relationships behind many events, which are beyond the understanding of the intellect. Extrasensory perception (ESP), clairvoyance, premonition, intuition are synonymous with sixth sense or subtle perception ability. Throughout this website we use the words sixth sense, ESP and subtle perception ability interchangeably.

    2. What do we perceive and understand with sixth sense?
    The SSRF defines the word 'subtle world' or 'spiritual dimension' as the world which is beyond the understanding of the five senses, mind and intellect. The subtle world refers to the unseen world of angels, ghosts, heaven, etc. which can only be perceived through our sixth sense.

    We perceive the gross or seen world through the five physical senses (i.e. smell, taste, sight, touch and sound), our mind (our feelings), and our intellect (decision making capacity). When it comes to the unseen world or the subtle-world, we perceive it through the five subtle-senses, the subtle-mind and the subtle-intellect – this is what is known as our sixth sense. When the sixth sense is developed or activated, it helps us to experience the subtle-world or subtle-dimension. This experience of the subtle-world is also known as a ‘spiritual experience’. It is through sixth sense that SSRF seekers have obtained Divine Knowledge on different topics such as life after death, kundalini awakening and the coming World War 3.........

    See whole article here:
    https://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/spiritual-research/sixth-sense/what-is-sixth-sense/



    I am postulating that sex and its expression in porn is a different case scenario.

    Sex is a generating force behind most higher forms of biological life - I don't think that is disputable.

    So even though a heightened ESP / Sixth Sense may occur - its importance may be higher than
    simply increased sensory awareness - Atheist, Theist, or Agnostic - It is hard to deny 'significance
    and meaning' when it obviously is present. - And no, I do not know exactly what the significance and
    meanit is.


    AS far as the Second point on my complaint about the Fortean forums being 'clannish'.......

    [SO BE IT! THE REST OF THE POST HAS COME BACK - FATE IS AT WORK!!!]

    ...... Nice to be friends on a friendly forum - And I suppose those of you who have been
    here for years have developed a symbiotic ambience that leads to giving each other 'likes'
    - Of course to an outside observer it soon becomes apparent that quite a few posters
    are dishing out likes on responses of little meaning, just so they will be rewarded in kind.

    So what? - There is no money involved here - So now 'likes' are like gold, shekels, bread,
    or whatever you call the exchange medium - As more than one well to do individual has
    told me over the years "Money don't count - It's just how we keep score"

    And in the New World of Liberalism and equality you can see how 'insider trading' in 'Likes'
    might be viewed as unjust.

    At any rate I am not asking for a handout - Just keep an open mind.
    We wouldn't be here if Charles Fort did not have and open mind would we?
     
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  25. Coal

    Coal Polymath Renaissance Man

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    No. I mean information that is processed unconsciously, the output of which is a feeling or emotion, as opposed to a conscious thought process.

    Another example is the facility to 'sense' when someone is behind you, which is generally accepted to be the unconscious detection of a subtle shift in the background noise signature.
     
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    Cochise Justified & Ancient

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    Yes, but your mind doesn't have to be so open your brain falls out :) (That is a quote from someone, I didn't make it up)

    I have more than my share of unusual experiences - as far as I can judge, anyway - but I don't necessarily expect anyone else to believe them. Nor do I rule out the possibility that they are internal - that is, they didn't happen in an objective way but only in my mind. My mind has been alert to the unusual since some very early reading of mine and some experiences in my early teens.

    There are a wide range of attitudes towards the odd, the supernatural, the paranormal, held by contributors on here. Naturally we tend to like posts we agree with which in turn tend to come from those posters more aligned with our own particular attitude.

    Although sometimes someone comes up with a post which changes my mind on a particular event , which are the best posts of all :)
     
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    I don't want to get into a rhetorical debate - But some would say what you are describing is the
    Sixth Sense, or at least a way of describing it. - An unconscious awareness that goes beyond
    conscious perception or understanding - You sense something and can't say exactly how or why
    - but it turns out to be factual.
     
  28. Coal

    Coal Polymath Renaissance Man

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    Hm...the term 'sixth sense' is generally used to invoke a sense other than the traditional five, not an output from from some or all of the original five. So I'm going to stick with my original "no"!
     

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