"Political Correctness Gone Mad"

Discussion in 'The Human Condition' started by Yithian, Jan 19, 2004.

  1. blessmycottonsocks

    blessmycottonsocks Justified & Ancient

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    I guess this sets a precedent for outlawing any body - related metaphors.

    For example, saying someone is "broken-hearted" could be upsetting to Meghan Markle's dad, in his current poor cardiac health.
    "Stiff upper lip" could be construed as taking the proverbial out of people with facial paralysis. Or getting "cold feet" over something could be a reference to circulatory disorders.
    As for the "long arm of the law" that's obviously a snide reference to those unfortunates suffering from Marfan Syndrome etc.
     
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  2. ramonmercado

    ramonmercado CyberPunk

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    It's a term I have used myself to criticise dysfunctionality but I can see how it would be offensive to those who have gone through or are experiencing menopause. I won't use it in such a manner again.

    Nothing PC Gone Mad about this.
     
  3. ramonmercado

    ramonmercado CyberPunk

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    Broken-hearted and stiff upper lip are terms in common usage which have no direct connection to any medical condition. To express outrage at their use would be PC Gone Mad.

    But Menopause/Menopausal are medical terms for a very physically, emotionally and even mentally upsetting condition. It is quite understandable that women would be upset at the use of such terms out of context and in such a trivial manner.

    Not being able to use insulting terms is not PC Gone Mad.
     
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  4. Krepostnoi

    Krepostnoi Bohn again.

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    There were two CPSU general secretaries between Brezhnev and Gorbachev: Andropov and Chernenko. I sometimes think of their combined terms in office as the Soviet perineum: neither one thing nor t'other. However, I did manage to restrain myself from using this metaphor during my lectures on the 20th century history of Russia. It's not really that difficult to choose appropriate language, is it?
     
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  5. Vardoger

    Vardoger Skeptical by nature

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    Sounds like a bloody affair. I hope Bank of England got a maxi pad for this situation!
     
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  6. Quake42

    Quake42 Warrior Princess

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    I thought it was a rather odd metaphor to use, but not really worth a torch and pitchfork mob demanding his head.
     
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  7. blessmycottonsocks

    blessmycottonsocks Justified & Ancient

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    Strewth!
    Imagine if he'd described the economy as pre-menstrual ...
     
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  8. Mythopoeika

    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    ...there'd certainly be tension, yes.
     
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  9. Dr_Baltar

    Dr_Baltar Left Foot of God

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    "Sarah Smith, professor of economics at Bristol University, told the BBC they were "not useful"." and others in a similar vein.

    Behold the outraged mob. Terrifying.
     
  10. Shady

    Shady I see the light, can you?

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    Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me, apparently they do, mentally, for some, and i can see that, but for a few, they are actually used as weapons in their hands, beating the crap out of free speech
     
  11. ramonmercado

    ramonmercado CyberPunk

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    Using abusive terms and expressions you know will hurt people is not PC Gone Mad. Words do hurt. Using racially offensive terms is hurtful and also illegal.

    Using words which describe a debilitating and painful bodily process flippantly is hardly an example of free speech which should be defended.
     
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  12. Frideswide

    Frideswide Princess (PeteByrdie Certificated)

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    this.
     
  13. Frideswide

    Frideswide Princess (PeteByrdie Certificated)

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    This is Daily Mail level reasoning.
     
  14. Quake42

    Quake42 Warrior Princess

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    But it is.

    Using words that some people may find upsetting or offensive is *exactly* an example of free speech which should be defended.

    Free speech isn’t just about people saying nice things or things you agree with. It absolutely must encompass challenging things, annoying things, rude things, yes even hateful things. That’s what free speech is and the ever increasing list of things you are not permitted to say shames a free society.

    The founding fathers got this. The First Amendment is one of the finest things committed to parchment. I dearly wish more countries had a similar constitutional guarantee of free speech.
     
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  15. Shady

    Shady I see the light, can you?

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    So, I am not allowed to laugh at his use of menopausal?, because it is demeaning to women who suffer this, that all women will be offended, or some will take it as I do and just laugh

    I believe, in the quote, i did say words can hurt some people, but others use words as a weapon with their PC rubbish
     
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  16. ramonmercado

    ramonmercado CyberPunk

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    But you have continuously referred to the coarsening of public debate. Surely it is not desirable for people to use crude terms all of the time. I'm not saying that crude language should be banned but that it's use should be discouraged in civilised company.
     
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    ramonmercado CyberPunk

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    Nope, being told that some expressions are offensive is not PC Gone Mad. You can continue to use them but you may find less people being prepared to associate with you if you refer to women as parts of their anatomy or use racially abusive terms towards coloured people or Jews.

    Edit: I'm not saying you are a racist, i'm just using an example about how words can be offensive and actually hurt people.
     
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  18. Quake42

    Quake42 Warrior Princess

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    That’s fair, yes. We may differ on what “crude” language means in this context tho. In this case I thought the use of the word “menopausal” a bit odd but not something which requires an apology or contributes to coarsening of debate.
     
  19. Shady

    Shady I see the light, can you?

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    So why was the menopausal post in this thread?
     
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  20. ramonmercado

    ramonmercado CyberPunk

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    Only the poster who thought it was PC Gone Mad can answer that. I guess he thinks it was.

    I disagree.
     
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  21. Min Bannister

    Min Bannister Justified & Ancient

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    I don't think this is a free speech issue. He is deputy governor of the Bank of England and he has just publicly called menopausal women "past it". It's an arsehole thing to say and he is an arsehole for saying it. I don't see what is wrong with criticising him for it.
     
  22. Shady

    Shady I see the light, can you?

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    I thought he was using the term as a way of saying it was unpredictable
     
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    Min Bannister Justified & Ancient

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    I don't think that would have made it okay..

    This is the quote from the article.

     
  24. Shady

    Shady I see the light, can you?

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    I, in all honesty, still, do not find it offensive. But, thank you for the clarification
     
  25. onetwothree

    onetwothree Ephemeral Spectre

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    Yes. It's a very rude and sweeping statement. I thought it was just a bit of a strange adjective to use until I saw his qualifier.
     
  26. GNC

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    Had to laugh at the BBC newsreader who accidentally called him "Men" Broadbent.
     
  27. Mythopoeika

    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    'Menopausal' is a term that applies to both genders, so nobody should assume the reference was about women.
     
  28. GNC

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    Well, I'm insulted too, then.
     
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  29. Yithian

    Yithian Incredulous Staff Member

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    I'm also insulted, and so's my dog.
     
  30. GNC

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    That's a funny name for a dog.
     
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