Discussion in 'The Human Condition' started by Yithian, Jan 19, 2004.
It's a shame Davidson has blocked you on FB or you could have sent him this link. NSFW
In the interest of getting Jim's version of events .... because that's only fair etc ..
There you go. It was all because he cares for turtles. Apparently.
£15k for two shows. I would do that to make money.
Welcome to Cromer ..
I won't mention anything about the number of fingers. No. Definitely not.
I believe the internet has proved this premise inherently false.
Bloody hell, if that's his idea of setting the record straight... (I use the term more-or-less advisedly, on the basis of this review of Davidson's panto DVD.) Just one of the many fag-ends of inconsistency bobbing about in that blocked urinal of self-justification is the question of the Timberland coat. Firstly, was "the wife" [sic] with him? The poor woman doesn't get so much as a namecheck if so, unlike Kevin - who he? If not, why did Jimbo have her Christmas present with him? Does the fact it was her Xmas present still have salience in early February? The levels of bathos are unfathomable: turtles all the way down.
He did a 'blackvoice' version of White Christmas?
funnily enough he was on that George Galloway RT show the other week - they were getting on like a house on fire
I watched an interview on youtube with him chuckling about one of his favourite hotel pranks (and yes, it again involved making a young manager/receptionist woman embarrassed) .. he'd watch a porn film in his hotel room and then the next day refuse to pay for it because the woman in it was a scrubber and the title of the film had been misleading ... a funny thing to say to one of your mates if one of your mates had lent you a porno but Jim revelled in this young woman apologising (in front of other laughing customers) and not charging him for viewing the film, probably scared of losing her job if she'd insisted he paid .... HAHAHA Jim! what a lad! ...... prick.
porn blag in his own words at 2:20
Sometimes all you need is the two!
The no alcohol on stage rule is not at all unusual. Water is okay, but alcohol is more of a ball ache to clear up quickly if there's a spill, and the stickiness can create a hazard. (Performers often lose basic motor skills, like being able to walk and open doors when on stage...No, I'm not joking - but then I suppose if hundreds of people were staring at my every move I might occasionaly forget what my feet do).
There are also sometimes rules about food and beverages on stage because of the use of rodent poison in backstage areas. And I think the specific details of the license can also be an issue.
But, yeah - go ahead Jim; blame the millennials. (More evidence, to my mind, that many people who get overly vexed about what I would argue are the more invisible - that is, non-existent - examples of political correctness are simply pissed off that they are getting old while some people have the sheer affrontery to be young...and to think differently. Heaven forfend!)
He was allowed to take alcohol drinks on stage, the woman concerned asked him to take it on stage in a plastic glass (just like anyone else who performs on that stage, John Hurt didn't have a pissy fit about that a few years back) and he thought it was a personal slight against him ...... or more likely, he pretended he though it was a personal slight against him for publicity.
I've worked in a few bars in Cromer, on Carnival Day no one in the whole of town is allowed to be served any drink in a glass, everything everywhere has to be served in plastics which has caused a small amount of the customers (usually in the posher hotel bars) to complain in the past .. I've been at the receiving end of it so often, I invented a joke "Yes I know .. I prefer my drinks in a glass as well Sir, you can't throw these plastic ones as far can you ?" .. luckily no one ever complained about me, perhaps Jim can use that joke in the future instead of playing the victim of millennials, he needs new material apparently.
John Hurt in the first 20 seconds of this trailer on Cromer Pier's theatre stage ..
I have to say, I've got nothing against off-colour jokes, but this routine is the dictionary definition of misogyny—it's apparent that he really has a big problem with women.
Well, we all know where he got that from...
Alan Partridge on our pier looking for Jim Davidson for stealing his joke ..
The sad fact that people talk about him is giving the knob head what he wants.
I knew all this was reminding me of something: Paragraph 2 of my attempt to define Political Correctness, from way back on page 48.
Yes, in international alphabet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet), it is exactely like that.
As for Weinstein, it is vaɪnʃtaɪn.
This reminds me of an episode of Gotham, when there is a discussion over the prononciation of Mr Fries's name, the future Mr Freeze (turns out that it is Fraɪs, indicating that he is of German origin or related).
I believe that the situation is more complex, as I can daily witness around myself situations of women who act subserviently. But it is less for a lack of opportunity to be equal, than for a lack of will. Most women are reluctant, or outright not interested to take on roles taken traditionnally by men.
After all, the problem is that we should not say that most women have chosen to go back home, because they weren't involved in the fight at first. A minority of them fought the battle, and the other ones, who were quite content of their situation (and who sometimes were not truly misogynistic) benefited of the gains. The minority comprised of women who wished for a strict equality, the disparition of all machistic behaviours, and they'll never be satisfied as long as will remain the slightest trace of them. Which is an impossibility, and so the fight will keep on...
Classic mistake of interpreting female behaviour as if it must be judged by male behaviour. Many women apparently subservient in fact rule the roost. WE WORK DIFFERENTLY. Get over it.
"The war of the sexes will never be won, there's too much fraternising with the enemy" ...
I can't remember who said that but it's always made me smile.
edit: it was Henry Kissinger apparently ..
A point made by Jordan Peterson under Cathy Newman’s rigourous probing.
Now I have terrible visions Cathy as an Alien or wearing a strap-on.
Not hard to imagine.
We're straying far from the subject of PC (and Jim Davidson) here, but that reminds me very much of a pub I used to 'use' - as the edgy argot had it - from when I was too young to be there until it was turned into a generic lager palace. This was the town's alternative/weirdo's venue; the patrons comprising your indie kids, students, metallers, ravers, goths, punk/straight edge types, 'Casual' borderline footy hooligans who were barred from everywhere else, and biker gangs - or one gang in particular - some of whom you really wouldn't want to mess with, to put it mildly. Some of the bikers were alright - in fact a couple became good friends. But a fair few of them were unwashed violent knuckle-dragging morons as per the stereotype.
Notwithstanding that people were brazenly selling drugs (including Class A stuff) and it was perfectly normal for the bar staff to be stoned off their tits and you could openly skin up a joint on the bar whilst waiting for service there was very very rarely any trouble - certainly less than in the 'normal' establishments nearby. When there was any bother it was very much in the wild west style and there would be blood and broken things, but this would be immediately dealt with.
The landlord keeping the peace and effortlessly nipping any violent disorder in the bud in this chaotic environment was a very elderly bloke who'd been a navigator on Mosquitoes in the war. He was a slight man physically, and soft spoken. He was also responsible for the character of the pub as he'd been very welcoming to the various misfits of the late seventies, when he took it on, and had happily allowed it become the meeting place for all the oddballs and outlaws.
Rather like Spudrick's tiny landlady he could break up the (very rare) punch-ups by making the miscreants feel like they were being told off by their Grandad: he'd tell someone to leave and they'd look at their feet and meekly shuffle out the door. I've rarely seen a man exert such authority without being aggressive.
An extraordinary fellow!
On the topic of political correctness, and something I think suitable for this thread, I watched an episode of the new series of Endeavour last week. You know the series, I'm sure - a sort of prequel to Morse (though quite different in tone, and very enjoyable in its own right), set in the 1960s, with all that that entails.
As is so often the case these days with anything vaguely controversial, there's often a warning message at the start about the content of the programme, in case anyone delicate finds themselves triggered by what follows. And so it was with last week's Endeavour - I can't remember the exact wording, but it was something very close to "viewers are advised that the show is set in the 1960s, and contains some racist language of the period".
Nervously, I braced myself, and waited for the horrific language. And waited, and waited...
In the end, there was a conversation between Morse and his superior officer, both of whom were clearly shown to be not racist, during which the boss disapprovingly read out an article which used the word "darkie". Once. Apart from that, there were a few unsavoury characters who were anti-immigration, but there was no other use of racist language of the 1960s or any other era. Are we really so feeble-minded that we can't watch a show like this un-warned without turning into violently racist, homophobic, whatever?
I think you can view this a couple of ways - and I waver between the two.
Either it's the viewer being nannied by an overprotective and paranoid media which is petrified of causing offence.
Or, it's an exasperated media knowing that someone, somewhere is going to take offence and kind of saying - listen, let's just all save ourselves some time and nip this in the bud right now: in the next hour or so someone is going to say bad words/use physical violence/wave their nether parts around/give some crack to a cat and throw it out of a window (delete as applicable); please, if you don't like it, just do us all a fucking favour and turn your bastard telly off now.
Hmmm. I noticed that none of the main cast have ‘normal’ names.
As well as Morse, there’s Thursday, Bright, Fancy, Strange and Trewlove.
And given the episode of the last series, it’s hard to believe that Morse wasn’t given the nickname ‘Tiger’.
Separate names with a comma.