People Who Just Disappear

Discussion in 'Urban Legends & Folklore' started by swelle, Dec 8, 2001.

  1. Spookdaddy

    Spookdaddy Cuckoo

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    Yup.

    If I recall correctly the same area was also a focus, at least in the early days, in the search for Suzanne Pilley's body (still undiscovered - although a conviction for murder was secured). Although I suspect that in that case the peelers would have been looking much further away from the road than they are with Tony Parsons.

    On an aside:

    I'm sure I've said this before - but I think it's worth repeating.

    Human beings constantly overestimate the space they take and the traces they leave behind. Most of us would barely fill a wheelie bin to the half way mark - and once the gases have gone and we've stopped leaking and dried out a bit, that volume can shrink pretty quickly over time.

    I've done a lot of solo trekking and wild camping in the past, but I'm very hazard aware - partly because of the type of work I've done. As part of that process I regularly step back a bit from what I'm doing and just reboot my thinking, or try and view things from a slightly different perspective.

    I remember some years ago sitting and checking out a route on Rannoch Moor in bad weather and thinking, 'how much of me is there?' I worked it out as something like a couple of bags of plaster and a bundle of sticks - to be reduced to one bag of plaster and a bundle of twigs in a few weeks time. It's amazing how much more aware of your surroundings you become when you figure out how little of it you take up.

    Some people are surprised when a body is not recovered, seeing that undiscovered status as an indication of some other underlying mystery. But, certainly when it comes to wide open spaces, I'm never really surprised.
     
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  2. escargot

    escargot Beloved of Ra

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    Absolutely. We were out cycling recently in Derbyshire and went past an area with a foul smell, like of decomposition. We joked that we'd just ridden alongside Dead Man's Dell or summat and forgot about it, but what if it wasn't a defunct fox or badger? Doesn't bear thinking of.
     
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    Frideswide Princess (PeteByrdie Certificated)

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    Yes.

    I love excavating human skeletons (given the right circumstances etc) and it is always salutory to see how little there is left of us.

    This is a link to an analysis of the Philip Larkin poem - take it straight or take it with cynicism, it seems apt here. And here is the poem, read by the poet.

    Side by side, their faces blurred,
    The earl and countess lie in stone,
    Their proper habits vaguely shown
    As jointed armour, stiffened pleat,
    And that faint hint of the absurd—
    The little dogs under their feet.

    Such plainness of the pre-baroque
    Hardly involves the eye, until
    It meets his left-hand gauntlet, still
    Clasped empty in the other; and
    One sees, with a sharp tender shock,
    His hand withdrawn, holding her hand.

    They would not think to lie so long.
    Such faithfulness in effigy
    Was just a detail friends would see:
    A sculptor’s sweet commissioned grace
    Thrown off in helping to prolong
    The Latin names around the base.

    They would not guess how early in
    Their supine stationary voyage
    The air would change to soundless damage,
    Turn the old tenantry away;
    How soon succeeding eyes begin
    To look, not read. Rigidly they

    Persisted, linked, through lengths and breadths
    Of time. Snow fell, undated. Light
    Each summer thronged the glass. A bright
    Litter of birdcalls strewed the same
    Bone-riddled ground. And up the paths
    The endless altered people came,

    Washing at their identity.
    Now, helpless in the hollow of
    An unarmorial age, a trough
    Of smoke in slow suspended skeins
    Above their scrap of history,
    Only an attitude remains:

    Time has transfigured them into
    Untruth. The stone fidelity
    They hardly meant has come to be
    Their final blazon, and to prove
    Our almost-instinct almost true: What will survive of us is love.
     
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    Xanatic* Justified & Ancient

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    Your hobby is graverobbing?
     
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    ramonmercado CyberPunk

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    In the best traditions of Burke and Hare!
     
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    Frideswide Princess (PeteByrdie Certificated)

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    quite! A proud Scottish tradition! :D
     
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    hunck Justified & Ancient

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    GNC King-Sized Canary

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    Min Bannister Justified & Ancient

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    This statement is creepy.

     
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    hunck Justified & Ancient

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    I imagine the statement was compulsory rather than volunteered. Still, I think we can agree that tax fraud is not to be encouraged.
     
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    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    hunck Justified & Ancient

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    Longer article on Fan Bingbing story

    ends with

     
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  13. Mythopoeika

    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    She's probably being 're-educated'.
     
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    LordRsmacker Abominable Snowman

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    "We are unlikely to ever know what exactly Fan Bingbing underwent, but the implication is clear: if the authorities can get to the biggest celebrity in the land, they can get to anyone."

    Just to prove it, they decided to nab the chief of Interpol - although they couldn't keep that one under wraps for long and had to admit they have nicked him. Plenty of time for them to have worked on him so he'll confess to anything they put in front of him though.

    They aren't alone, of course. The Saudis are denying all knowledge of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi, who has gone missing in Istanbul, having been seen going into the embassy, but not leaving.

    Are we at the point now where govts just do what they wish*, bump off opponents or dissidents in foreign countries, safe in the knowledge that as long as they aren't caught in the act, they can just claim to know nothing and get away with it? I guess they think that we all want to avoid open conflict so much that no-one will take action against them committing blatant state-sponsored crimes on foreign soil.
    I fear this is all going to end in tears when some slighted nation decides to kick one of the big boys up the arse after the international community just shrugs its collective shoulders, despite knowing full well who has done what.

    * I'm not suggesting that govts throughout the world, down through the ages, haven't bumped enemies off, or kidnapped them abroad, just that they seem to not give a flying fuck about covering their tracks these days.
     
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    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    It certainly looks that way. A decline in standards.
     
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    Carse Devoted Cultist

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    Quote of the week in the Margaret Fleming trial -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-45814415
     
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    hunck Justified & Ancient

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    Mr Ian McSporran QC - jings, sounds like a character from The Adventures of Dougal & Hamish.
     
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    escargot Beloved of Ra

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    D'you reckon that's a clue then? Like, his subconscious giving him away?
     
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    He'll have had his tea?
     
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    Coal Polymath Renaissance Man

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    Aye.
     
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    hunck Justified & Ancient

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    Mrs Naughtie gave him one before court.
     
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    catseye For the greater good

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    I think it's because people tend to think of 'dead bodies' like they see in the films or Silent Witness, all spread out. They forget that people often die all scrunched up in the shelter of tree roots or something, trying to keep out of the weather.
     
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