Pagan Miracles & Apparitions

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  1. MrRING

    MrRING Justified & Ancient

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    Just started reading The Miracle Detective by Randall Sullivan, about the people who investigate miracles or apparitions of the Virgin Mary and the like.

    And this got me thinking: is all anybody ever sees Christian symbols? Has nobody ever seen an apparition of Zeus, or Demeter, or things comparable in a painting?
     
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    OneWingedBird Beloved of Ra

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    An interesting idea, I suppose people are more inclined to see Christian imagery because they know what the face or Jesus or the BVM looks like, whereas this wouldn't hold for other deities.

    I guess there's also the angle that if they did see a pagan apparition, would it be publicised? I mean, if you rang your local paper to say that you and some friends had seen a BVM they might be interested, if it was Demeter or Isis you'd seen, they'd just be like "What the f*ck".
     
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    The late Pete Younger Venerable and Missed

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    There are so many different variations of what they look like, you'd need an an identikit to pick the right one.:)
     
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    Then there's the problem that christian imagery has plundered pagan tradition - how many sightings of Isis may have been mistaken for the BVM? ;)
     
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    Yes, Chanubi, I was just thinking the same thing. How many BVM apparitions have clearly identified themselves as Mary mother of Jesus? I read a book about them and if I recall correctly, was interested that the BVM so rarely said "I am the BVM".

    There's also the Milk Miracle. The Milk Miracle involved statues of Lord Ganesha drinking the milk that was offered to them.

    http://www.milkmiracle.com/
     
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    Well, just as the trend today is for Christianity-based miracles, apparitions, etc. the same seems to be the case before it came along. IIRC, there were similar things going on in the Roman Empire. I also recall that at least one Roman writer/commentator took great amusement at making fun of such claims. I think there is also one satirical play where a religious 'miracle' is lampooned. Can't recall specifics off of the top of my head tho'. But in essence, such things were said to have gone on in much the same way as today, but just coming from a different religion.
     
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    At a minor tangent, there's the Moslem miracle that pops up every so often where the name of Allah appears inside a cut fruit or similar. That seems to be quite a uniquely Moslem thing.
     
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    It's kind of ironic that when the gods actually take the offerings given to them that everyone makes such a bid deal about it. Isn't that what they are supposed to do, or am I being to literal?
     
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    Perhaps once when the gods had form and walked among us. They wore the garments we made and the meals we cooked for them. At that time, though they were just men, if heroes.

    If the particular god you worship was never flesh but an idea or symbol of nature, then no way are they supposed to be actually ingesting it. An offering is a symbol... perhaps the first tax :D, where we "waste" something precious to us to symbolize our dependence on forces beyond our control.
     
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    Hot_Cross_Nun Devoted Cultist

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    Mr R.I.N.G wrote:

    How about Pan? People still seem to experience his presence - see this thread: http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10709&highlight=panic woods
     
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    I'm glad to hear that the Angry Sky God isn't the only who who has a presence in this world. Of coruse, in a non-demoninational way, what could be the purpose of these entities trying to speak to us?

    One of the things that struck me so far is an interview that Randall Sullivan, where he describes a miracle that effected him: a rain storm with lightning. Now, suppose that was just representitive of the powers of good, but not specifically Christian, and he just read it that way because of what he was researching. I haven't gotten to that part of the book yet though....
     
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    I remember reading a fascinating account of someone meeting the great god pan in university parks oxford, in the 60s. Pan explained that his appearances were scarce these days because no one believes in him.
     
  14. MrRING

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    James H - remember anymore of the story?

    Also, I've heard the following story retold in many lights - any idea of it's veracity, or is it a literary creation only? (In fact, I think it's included in my WHD Rouse translation of general Greek myths as bring a close to the pagan era)

    http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/pan.htm

     
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