Islamic Terrorism

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  1. ramonmercado

    ramonmercado CyberPunk

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    Its about more than Trump having business interests in Russia. Its about Trump collaborating with Putin to subvert an election. That has yet to be proven though.

    Also my post above is about Trump claiming a Democrat Senator was responsible for the terrorist getting into the US when he actually opposed the legislation. The act was passed by Republican Senators and signed into law by Dubya.

    It is directly relevant to the incident being discussed here. Not part of the broader Trump discussion. Should Trump get away with lies about it and get political advantage from that?
     
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  2. maximus otter

    maximus otter Recovering policeman

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    You don't have the "Need to Know."
    "Yet to be proven" is putting it mildly. For example:

    "On the question of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians here, there is smoke, but there is no fire, at all. There’s no little campfire, there’s no little candle, there’s no spark. And there’s a lot of people looking for it."

    Michael Morell, Obama's former CIA deputy director (and Clinton's designated director had she been elected)

    "Overall I haven't seen any evidence of anyone actually colluding with the Russians," Hoffman says, "of Russian intelligence colluding with a campaign to cause harm to another."

    Daniel Hoffman, former CIA station chief in Moscow from 2012-17

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    We are veering away a bit from Islamic Terrorism but it does look like Mueller is on to something with his recent indictments. Those quotes predate that. Any more on this should really go on the Trump thread on Conspiracy.
     
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    The women and men who defeated ISIS deserve ongoing support.

    Dark Victory in Raqqa
    Kurdish revolutionaries helped the U.S. expel the Islamic State from its capital city. Will we soon abandon them?

    By Luke Mogelson

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    Female fighters for the Syrian Democratic Forces, who are on the front lines of the war against the Islamic State in Syria. Many have “joined to protect other women” from Islamists who subject women to repression and rape.

    Photograph by Mauricio Lima for The New Yorker

    In August, in the living room of an abandoned house on the western outskirts of Raqqa, Syria, I met with Rojda Felat, one of four Kurdish commanders overseeing the campaign to wrest the city from the Islamic State, or isis. Wearing fatigues, a beaded head scarf, and turquoise socks, Felat sat cross-legged on the floor, eating a homemade meal that her mother had sent in a plastic container from Qamishli, four hours away, in the northeast of the country. In the kitchen, two young female fighters washed dishes and glanced surreptitiously at Felat with bright-eyed adoration. At forty years old, she affects a passive, stoic expression that transforms startlingly into one of unguarded felicity when she is amused—something that, while we spoke, happened often. She had reason to be in good spirits. Her forces had recently completed an encirclement of Raqqa, and victory appeared to be imminent.

    The Raqqa offensive, which concluded in mid-October, marks the culmination of a dramatic rise both for Felat and for the Kurdish political movement to which she belongs. For decades, the Syrian state—officially, the Syrian Arab Republic—was hostile to Kurds. Tens of thousands were stripped of citizenship or dispossessed of land; cultural and political gatherings were banned; schools were forbidden to teach the Kurdish language.

    Qamishli, Felat’s home town, has long been a center of Kurdish political activity. In 2004, during a soccer match, Arab fans of a visiting team threw stones at Kurds, causing a stampede; a riot ensued, during which Kurds toppled a statue of Hafez al-Assad, the father and predecessor of Syria’s current President, Bashar. Government security forces subsequently killed more than thirty Kurds. Amid the crackdown, a new Kurdish opposition group, the Democratic Union Party, organized and recruited clandestinely. ...

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/dark-victory-in-raqqa?mbid=social_twitter
     
  5. gerhard1

    gerhard1 Ephemeral Spectre

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    Indeed.

    The press has in more than a few cases, became enablers of the Islamists.
     
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    Fox haven't exactly aided the fight against Islamists by telling lies about a Democrat Senator. Lies which were then repeated by Trump. He didn't bother to check anything.
     
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    Why would he even care?

    As I say, I understand where you are coming from, but you are applying standards the world in general no longer cares about. They virtually all will tell whatever lies they like that will get them the most votes / money / power.

    And we have connived at that by letting earlier transgressions go by. This is entirely relevant to the situation we find ourselves in with Muslim terrorism, but the lying started well before Trump. Probably before Blair, but his lies became blatantly obvious while people were still re-electing him. If people get rewarded for telling whoppers why would they stop?

    This is why I get fed up with the implied idea that Trump is somehow uniquely terrible - I would maintain he is the entirely predictable result of what has been going on in the US and UK since Clinton and Blair . What 'wing' he is doesn't matter, we are heading for dictatorships which will all, ultimately, work out the same whether they claim to be communist or republican. Looking back Trump will seem positively benign.
     
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    This is not the place to debate the flaws and merits of President Trump; the place for that is another message board.

    We have a specific thread for conspiracy in U.S. politics, but we're not going to have a prolonged discussion of whether Trump lies or whether that is important.

    The topic at hand is Muslims that go bang.
     
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    I think that's a bit harsh Yith, peaceful Muslims are uniting as we speak already to protest against racist remarks following next weeks terrorist attacks.
     
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    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    Cynical... :D
     
  11. gerhard1

    gerhard1 Ephemeral Spectre

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    True, but in this case, it is understandable.
     
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    Fair enough. I'm one of the world's great tangent followers - I don't mind at all being corrected :)
     
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    Maybe C&P a bit of it?
     
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    Melbourne man charged with supporting a senior Islamic State terrorist

    COUNTER-terror police have arrested a Melbourne man with suspected links to an Islamic State terrorist in Syria.

    The 43-year-old, Isa Kocoglu, who is on a disability allowance, has appeared in Melbourne Magistrate’s Court charged with supporting persons engaged in the Syrian conflict.

    It is alleged he gave about $5000 to a US citizen fighting for Islamic State in Syria.

    His arrest follows an investigation by members of the Victorian Joint Counter Terrorism Team (JCTT), which includes officers from the Australian Federal Police, ASIO, and Victoria Police.

    The man was taken into custody at his Hampton Park home this morning — but he could be released on bail within hours.

    The investigation has lasted more than a year.

    It will be alleged he provided funds and services to persons engaged in the conflict in Syria supporting Islamic State.


    Continued Here:
    http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...t/news-story/1c33564e1ac1aa5fbab258411d0d31d4
     
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    A threat apparently was made, but whether it is genuine or not is the question.
     
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    Interesting, Russian Troll trying to sow division in the wake of a terrorist attack.

    Man who posted image of Muslim woman 'ignoring Westminster terror victims' was a Russian troll
    The account, @Southlonestar, tweeted a picture of a woman in a hijab walking past a victim lying on the ground and incorrectly claimed she was unaffected.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ck-phone-russian-troll-identity-a8052961.html
     
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    Well, possibly. there is no mention of actual evidence that it was posted by a Russian troll, just a sequence of suppositions.

    In the current climate, I'd be inclined to treat all news in the newspapers as fake until confirmed by reputable sources - if there are any reputable sources left. We are in uncharted waters in many respects. We are certainly in a world where vastly too many people believe their own agenda justifies any degree of interference in the truth. Whatever truth is.

    Is the picture faked? If not, you can see why someone - whether British, American, or Russian - would seize on it to push their own views.

    There are many threats at the moment to the Western civilised way of life, and the disregard for the facts and the suppression of dissent strikes me as the most serious, more so than any external threat.
     
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    You don't have the "Need to Know."
    Russian trolls? It's even worse: Now we have Glasgow security guards!

    "This week the website Byline Media published an investigation into Russian Twitter troll accounts supposedly being used to subvert British democracy. Their story looked at one account, @Didgery77332, which purports to be based in Scotland. Byline reported that, due to the account’s support for Brexit, its tendency to retweet “Russian-inspired disinformation” and its poor grasp of the English language, @Didgery77332 was a Russian troll account:

    “There’s a pretty convincing case Didgery is indeed a Russian troll… On balance, at the higher end of the probability scale, it was a fair assessment that this account appears to be a foreign-based troll pushing Russian messaging.”

    Well, the Scotsman has checked out Byline’s report, and worked out that @Didgery77332 is actually a security guard and father based in Glasgow."

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    The picture was genuine. There was an interview in a sympathetic outlet - possibly the Independent - with the subject of the photo.

    Said interview indicated that she was on the phone traumatised because of what she had witnessed and was upset about the way it had been presented. You can see why it became an iconic image though.
     
  25. GNC

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    Has he been tweeting Eck's Russian propaganda TV show? Sounds like it'll be right up his street.
     

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