Islamic Terrorism

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  1. Mythopoeika

    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    Imagine how things would have turned out if, in 1939, the world's press had downplayed the Nazi threat and we'd all been told that fear of the Nazis was 'Naziphobia' and a form of racism. Imagine if laws had been passed making Naziphobia illegal and free speech was totally shut down to prevent criticism of the elephant in the room.
    Things would have been different.
    We must look at historical precedent and the whole truth must be allowed to prevail.
     
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  2. Vardoger

    Vardoger Skeptical by nature

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    No. Andrew Cummins at his finest.
     
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  3. Quake42

    Quake42 Warrior Princess

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    Fair enough! It appears I'm not alone in the misattrtibution. But the sentiment stands anyway.

    Quite. I made a similar point earlier in the thread, and the comparison can be expanded further.

    "It's not Nazism, but Nazismism that's the problem."

    "You only understand the subtleties if you read Mein Kampf in the original German."

    "Peaceful philosophy perverted by a tiny minority of extremists.."

    "We need to reach out to the majority of moderate Nazis"

    And, while this debate goes on, continue to import millions of Nazis into free and democratic societies.

    Yes that would have worked out rather differently. Although, you could argue that the appeasers did quite a few of the above in the early to mid 30s. Again, without success.
     
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  4. Yithian

    Yithian Keeping The British End Up Staff Member

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    Hitchens coined the more memorable phrase 'Facism with an Islamic Face' to describe what Muslim terrorists hoped to do to the west. He himself attributed the term 'Islamifascism' to another writer:

    Hitchens was a great writer, much missed--about time another possessor of titanic balls stepped up to deal literarily with the kind of atavistic dregs that are sloshing around the bottom of the 21st century.

    His brother is focused more on domestic politics, which is a great shame as his international journalism is superb and lacking the bile of that aimed closer to home.
     
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  5. McAvennie

    McAvennie Justified and Ancient

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    You can take it more recent than 1939 by asking yourself how many times in the 1980s we were asked to try and understand why young, disaffected Irishmen were planting bombs around London and how many times politicians and protestors were out wringing their hands over war crimes in Ireland by British soldiers and how we had brought this all on ourselves...
     
  6. Quake42

    Quake42 Warrior Princess

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    In fairness there was a bit of that, but it was largely confined to the usual suspects - including Jeremy Corbyn of course. It certainly wasn't mainstream commentary.
     
  7. ramonmercado

    ramonmercado CyberPunk

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    And it was largely true. Not just in the far past but allowing a part of the UK to discriminate against one third of its citizens because they were Catholics. For 50 years Westminster allowed that to go on.

    Bloody Sunday happened, that was a war crime. As were so many other events which are now coming to light, Securicrats directing killings by both Loyalist and Republican Paramilitaries. It now looks as if the Intelligence services allowed 18 alleged informers to be killed to keep Scappaticci in place. My cousin was killed by another SB/MI5 agent, Sean O'Callaghan, to cover up his own role.

    Just look at the articles in Ireland North & South The Aftermath. This isn't IRA propaganda, its the findings of British Judges and Policemen who were appointed by the UK Government.
    http://forum.forteantimes.com/index.php?threads/ireland-north-south-the-aftermath.28013/

    That doesn't mean that bombings in London were right but they did not come about in a vacuum.

    The difference between this and Islamists though is that the IRA had limited demands and were prepared to compromise even on those. They also had mass political support.

    You cannot however negotiate with people whose aim is a Worldwide Islamic Caliphate. There has to be a military defeat of Islamists but they must also be defeated on a political and religious level. This means harnessing the influence of the likes of Maajid and also of Imams who oppose the Islamists.

    The errors which were committed in Northen Ireland must not be repeated.
     
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  9. McAvennie

    McAvennie Justified and Ancient

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    The jump to conclusions brigade were out in full force on social media again last night, it's pretty old now...

    We are forever blaming the mentally retarded, the disgruntled employee, the drug gang member before we know the full facts.

    I just wish when people are throwing out this kind of speculation that they stop and think that it could just be a mundane Islamic extremist, wielding a Kalashnikov and firing off rounds at a major tourist location.

    It doesn't always have to be the most logical explanation, the lazy assumption that the media is spoonfeeding people to believe.
     
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  10. Quake42

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    Yes. I liked the "possible bank robbery" angle.

    Because what bank robbers always do is to shoot at police whist yelling allahu Akbar nowhere near a bank.

    Still, nothing to do with Islam etc etc
     
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  11. McAvennie

    McAvennie Justified and Ancient

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    In the interest of fair and accurate reporting there is, actually, a huge branch of HSBC directly opposite where the incident took place. :cool:
     
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    Just pointing out that the jump to conclusions brigade is sometimes right.
    Dortmund - when they arrested that Iraqi ISIS guy they did clarify at the time he was just someone they picked up in the investigation and not connected with the bombing, not that that was reported very clearly. Knowing Dortmund, I also knew that they had expelled a large group of far right ultras in February and they had since repeatedly threatened the club and it's staff and were always considered in Germany the more likely suspects as the attack did not resemble anything IS had previously done.
    Just to conclude, it looks like both were wrong.
    A Russian/German national was arrested yesterday and charged with attempted murder. He is a stock speculator who profited from the drop in share prices, and was at the hotel at the time with his remote control device. He knew how easy it would be to make people assume it was islamist terrorism. Don't let it live in your memory as an IS attack. It wasn't and is an embodiment of the reason people are asked not to jump to conclusions. Most of the time the islamist assumption will be right, but people will always be prepared you use that assumption for their own ends, whether it's political, or in this case from personal greed.
     
  13. Coastaljames

    Coastaljames Justified and Ancient

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    Yes- it could be. Equally it might not be.


    Of note- yet again - as in every "terrorist attack" since, and including 9/11- the "attacker" was know to authorities and, handily, had left his i.d. at the scene.
     
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  14. McAvennie

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    In France it is a requirement to carry your ID card with you at all times, so no great shock.
     
  15. Coastaljames

    Coastaljames Justified and Ancient

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    I'm guessing it's also a requrement not to fire an AK47 at police. I'm assuming the perp, regardless of who he was, wasn't much one for sticking to the rules.
     
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    That's true. However, you don’t want to get apprehended for something as daft as not having ID on you in the final stages of preparing an attack - I suspect not one of these guys behaves better than they do in the last few hours before a mission.
     
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    Funny though that they would carry real ID.
     
  18. Coastaljames

    Coastaljames Justified and Ancient

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    By a cop? You could shoot him :) Job's a good 'un.
     
  19. McAvennie

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    Presumably if they are working for ISIS they will want to become a martyr for their cause, or to confirm their involvement to ensure the triggering of any financial reward for family members. It's really not that bizarre.
     
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    Coastaljames Justified and Ancient

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    No? Matter of opinion I guess :) Seems incredibly odd to me.
     

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