Homo Erectus, Etc.

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  1. Yossarian

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    I've attended a couple of lectures, and had some lovely pub chats, with an archaeologist who specialises in Neanderthal sites in Western Europe, and he informed me that there is a growing trend in archaeological circles to reclassify Neanderthal as "Homo Sapien Neanderthalis", to recognise them as something more "human" than they've been conventionally seen as. It's far from consensus yet, but I think the more we learn, the more we'll see our ideas of other hominids coming more into line with that way of thinking.
     
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    This isn't a subject I'm well up on, but until fairly recently I though it had been revised to Homo sapiens neadertalis a long while ago. But when I came to check recently I can find no mention of this. I'm sure I read it somewhere grown up too.
     
  3. Mythopoeika

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    Homo Sapien Neanderthalensis.
     
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    NEANDERTALENSIS




     
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  7. oldrover

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    I don't think you're supposed to include a 'h' either. That's what I read anyway, but like 95% of what I thought I knew about the last 66 million years that's probably wrong too.
     
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    Confusion has probably come about because the area where it was discovered was 'Neandertal' - but they named it after an earlier spelling of the area (i.e. with the 'h') and the 'h' version stuck.

     
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    Yeah that rings a bell.
     
  10. Brig

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    A rose is a rose and by any other name smells as sweet. I'm not say our chunky cousin smells sweet. I'm just saying that by whatever name he is called he/she is still a paradox to unravel. I have contended for some time that the Neanderthal (however you spell it) was a solid member of the Homo Sapien Sapien clan. As far as that is concerned so is the Denisovian and probably others. I apologize if I misspelled anyone.
     
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    If by clan you mean species then that is as far as I know not an easy thing to define. This is something that I have very little understanding of but it bothers me, and as far as I'm aware there are about six models to define it in current formal use today. I've found myself equally persuaded by the arguments I've heard on either side of how and when to draw what might be a pretty arbitrary line.

    And you left out the 's' in sapiens.
     
  12. Mungoman

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    Adam and Eves first born, Caine, was cast out for murdering Able. He went into "Nod" and too a wife. As Adam and Eve were the first Homo Sapiens who did Caine find to marry? Neanderthal or Denisovian perhaps Not meaning to start a biblical flap I simply threw that in as a curiosity.
    Speaking to a friend of mine who teaches at a local college; I was informed that if one took a typical Neanderthal, gave him a haircut, combed his beard, put him in a three piece business suit with shiny black shoes and a folded newspaper under his arm he would pass as nothing exceptional on a busy street corner in any larger city. Again just a curiosity.
     
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    he'd be noticed in Glasgow! :fhtagn:
     
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    Cain apparently married one of his sisters.
     
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    I want to know who Esau's mother was.
     
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    Frideswide: Why so? I've known heavy set scots with very hairy legs (if you are referring to the kilt.
    Dr. Baltar: So say some pundits.
     
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    Perhaps it's the newspaper that would be the giveaway.
     
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    Are you saing there are no newspapers in Scotland Seriously the thing was simply an example that the Neanderthal was not so different from us. I went to college with a fellow who had a close similarity to the Neanderthal. He was not heavy set but his head had the classic heavy brow ridges and his mouth was set forward, muzzle like. He was a likable fellow and had no problems getting a girl for a date. This was back in the "stone age" when I was still in college.
     
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    BYW My computer is ancient, like me, and tends to skip letters now and again. Excuse.
     
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    The Evening Times is a Glasgow institution! Three piece suit and shiny shoes, well, not so much.
     
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    Is that neanderthal for How are you?
     
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    I thought that Nod was Ethiopia - I have been wrong before though.
     
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    You slept through that Bible class.
     
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  27. Brig

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    :clap:My wife claims she dated several Neanderthals in her younger years. Not certain what she based that on.
     
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    Pedant alert; it's Neander THAL, named after the Neander Valley in Germany where the first type specimen was found, valley in German=Thal, hence Neanderthal, although it's pronounced as if there was no H. And years ago I posted about a chap I used to work with that I was conviced was a throwback to them,can't be arsed to seach for the post, but he was immensly strong ,barrel chested, browridges etc, if archeaologists found his skeleton sometime in the futue they would think Neanderthals were still alive today.
     
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    If we're being pedantic, all the binomial names in this thread have been incorrectly capitalized. Our species binomial name is Homo sapiens. Our particular subspecies is Homo sapiens sapiens. The Neanderthal man is classified as Homo sapiens neanderthalensis.

    Binomial names are always spelt with only the genus capitalized. :)
     
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    Au contraire


    OK, I got the suffix wrong, but I still don't like that 'h'.
     
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