Hacks, Emails & Collusion: Conspiracy In The U.S. Election & Trump's Presidency

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  1. INT21

    INT21 Justified & Ancient

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    Patrick30,

    There was a guest on CNN tonight (it may have been CMBC) who set out quite clearly just how that could happen.

    Essentially when you can no longer believe anything, and this is considered the norm, then you finish up with a situation very similar to Russia.

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  2. Yithian

    Yithian Incredulous Staff Member

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    Here's one that has been bubbling away with occasional pops above the surface:



    Jared Kushner's links to Gulf states and U.S. Intelligence's role in the recent Saudi Arabian purge.
     
  3. Vardoger

    Vardoger Skeptical by nature

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    New development!

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    FBI raids the office of Trump lawyer Michael Cohen
    • FBI agents raided the offices of Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, on Monday.
    • Agents reportedly seized evidence related to Cohen's payment of $130,000 to porn star Stormy Daniels on the eve of the 2016 presidential election.
    • Daniels has said the money was in exchange for her silence about her affair with Trump. The White House denies such an affair occurred.
    Dan Mangan | Kevin Breuninger
    Published 55 Mins Ago Updated Moments Ago

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    Cohen's attorney: Warrants are inappropriate, unnecessary 21 Mins Ago | 00:54

    The FBI on Monday raided the New York City offices of President Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen, seizing an array of documents.

    The raid came after federal prosecutors in New York City obtained a search warrant following a referral from special counsel Robert Mueller, Cohen's lawyer said.

    Mueller is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and related issues, including possible collusion by officials in the Trump campaign with Russians.


    NBC News reported that the raid occurred at a law office at 30 Rockefeller Plaza, located in Midtown Manhattan. Vanity Fair additionally reported that FBI agents also visited a room at the Loews Regency Hotel in Manhattan, where Cohen has been staying and executed the warrants there.

    The Times reported that FBI agents seized records relating to several issues, including a $130,000 payment that Cohen has said he made to porn star Stormy Daniels shortly before the 2016 presidential election.

    More at https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/09/fbi-raids-the-office-of-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-nyt.html
     
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  4. kamalktk

    kamalktk Justified & Ancient

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  5. Yithian

    Yithian Incredulous Staff Member

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    Trump pardons Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney's former chief of staff and explains that he was treated unfairly by the special counsel who prosecuted him. To my knowledge, Trump has no major connection with Libby and the case for his pardon was scarcely a compelling one (Bush commuted his sentence but would go no further).

    Is this simply a coded message to those being interviewed by Mueller? If so, I confess I think it's rather inspired. Bannon?
     
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  6. INT21

    INT21 Justified & Ancient

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    ..Is this simply a coded message to those being interviewed by Mueller? If so, I confess I think it's rather inspired. Bannon?..

    And we all know that Trump is famous for his loyalty to people who work for him.......

    Here is a scene for you.

    All those in Mueller's sights take it as you suggest and just refuse to say anything.

    The Trump is deposed.

    And they are truly in the doo doo.

    Jail time, don't forget to pack the KY jelly.

    INT21
     
  7. INT21

    INT21 Justified & Ancient

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    kamaltik,

    I think Trump meant for find out if the tape still existed.

    If the alleged 'golden showers' event had not taken place then why should he show any concern. He would know there was no tape.

    The same logic applies to Trump's wish for Mueller to stop digging. He must know there is something for Mueller to find.

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    kamalktk Justified & Ancient

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  9. Spookdaddy

    Spookdaddy Cuckoo

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    Oops. How long before Nikki Haley is being twittersacked amidst a confusing flurry of faint praise and CAPITALISED inanities?
     
  10. INT21

    INT21 Justified & Ancient

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    Maybe, but who got most attention at trumps last outing. And the Donald noticed.

    Stealing the spotlight; sackable offense.

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  11. Yithian

    Yithian Incredulous Staff Member

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    Latest twist, Stormy Daniels was threatened in a car park by Willem Dafoe!

    stormy_threat-1523995302-9706.jpg
     
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    kamalktk Justified & Ancient

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  13. EnolaGaia

    EnolaGaia I knew the job was dangerous when I took it ...

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    Last night American TV talk show host Stephen Colbert referred to the sketch as "the love child of Willem Dafoe, [American football star] Tom Brady, and Jon Bon Jovi."
     
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    Yithian Incredulous Staff Member

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    kamalktk Justified & Ancient

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    Let's check in on who Cohen's buddies are...

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/04/18/michael-cohen-friends-meeting-alesci-dnt-ebof.cnn

    Huh, Russian mobsters? Well that was unexpected.
     
  16. Tribble

    Tribble Furry Idiot

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    Well, he's pretty good at taking the piss...
     
  17. Ermintruder

    Ermintruder Existential pixelfixer

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    The BBC interview with fired FBI Director James Comey is rather interesting.

    I feel Comey is very convincing- probably far too convincing...

     
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    kamalktk Justified & Ancient

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    Further to my post above, and the BBC Newsnight interview last with Comey: what the hell was going on with the lipsynch continuity in straight shot / frame closeup?? Which was entirely a different situation when we were shown long-shot, in oblique.

    This was when we were being treated to the opinions of a younger interview subject (an informed commentator, I missed his name, he was speaking with the same female reporter as had been in setpiece conversation with Comey).

    I am being 100% serious here.

    I need someone else who saw the live (realtime broadcast on UK's BBC2) programme to comment about what was going on: please.

    I'm entirely-able to recognise video/audio lead/lag problems, but this was something else, totally-different in nature to what I'd recognise, and it lasted for the whole of the segment.

    I need to try and see if the whole programme is available via on-demand (properly, on IPlayer). He almost looked like a full foreign language overdub (or total scripted content audio track mismatch) in the square framed closeup, versus just a slight lipsynch lag on the oblique longshot cutaways. I was almost reminded of a very-young Will Ferrell/Ron Burgandy, minus moustache, doing a pastiche news anchor.

    EDIT1 the other interviewee was Anthony Scaramucci, Whitehouse Communications director

    EDIT2 this curious effect IS evident on the BBC IPlayer version. Have a watch, for example, in the last 10 minutes. Search for Newsnight, 19 Apr. Just 'synch issues'? Or what do you think? It is incredibly noticeable, but just in the closeup footage of the subject
     
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  20. Dr_Baltar

    Dr_Baltar Left Foot of God

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    Not watched the whole thing, just a snippet, but I can't really see what you're talking about. Looked perfectly normal to me.
     
  21. kamalktk

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    Putin invites himself to Washington.

    https://www.rt.com/news/424646-putin-trump-no-confrontation/

    "In particular, the foreign minister announced that the US president invited his Russian counterpart to Washington during a phone call. Trump said he would “be glad to see [Putin] in the White House” and then added that he “would be happy to make a reciprocal visit [to Moscow].”"
     
  22. Frasier Buddolph

    Frasier Buddolph CAUTION: May not know what he's talking about.

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    Rudy Giuliani has joined the Trump legal team. There has been concern for the last couple of years about Giuliani's increasingly erratic behavior and speculation that he is suffering from Alzheimer's/dementia. Given the similar speculation about Trump's mental health, we should see some very interesting exchanges in the near future. Sort of like the people who have set up two Alexas to talk to each other.
     
  23. Schrodinger's Zebra

    Schrodinger's Zebra Who put the writing on the walls?

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    I was curious so I loaded up the 'ol iPlayer and I'm watching this right now. What you've said above is very apparent, in the interview with the guy at the end, in the studio. Last ten mins or so of the episode? As you say it all looks reasonably normal when the camera is on both him and the interviewer lady. But when we see just his face, it's way off.

    It does look as if the words we hear are what his lips are saying - I'm reasonably good at lip-reading things on telly thanks to years of ear problems, so although I can't track every word, I'm reasonably certain that what we are hearing is what he was saying.

    I don't really watch Newsnight, but from the looks of things it is a live program ? (at time of original broadcast), so how could the lip-sync be so off, especially on just one camera? Very odd indeed. Nice catch.


    As an aside, I don't know about you Ermintruder or indeed anyone else, but I am very attuned to things being out-of-sync and generally can't watch something that is out-of-sync; I don't why, I just don't like it at all, I find it off putting.
    As opposed to Mr Zebra, who quote "doesn't really mind".
     
  24. kamalktk

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    By joining Trumps legal team he probably thinks he gets attorney client privilege or something for his announcing on TV in an interview that FBI New York agents had told him about the email investigation days before the FBI themselves announced it. Revealing an FBI investigation is a felony, btw.
     
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    Thank you. It's beyond question, well, as being an observable effect, isn't it?

    Exactly (well, pretty much).

    Yes, more so than I've ever seen in any broadcast content, in my life.

    If you're certain of this, then thank-you, very much.

    I was very-unconvinced, because of the massive difference between what we see, and what we hear (just when in close frame). Even when I was looking for gesture match lead/lag, or pauses/plosives in the facials, I just wasn't getting a fit, at all (forwards or back)...but I accept that may be because I'm just not studying any given part of the segment long enough.

    Yes, it's meant to be (and billed as such), but the meaning of 'live' nowadays can have multiple meanings. To me, the main element with Comey looked recorded and replayed (whether with inline edits or 'true post' post-production applied). The video luma dynamic range was equalised/compressed such that it appeared non-live.

    However, the whole to-camera anchor/studio set 'Scaramucci wrapper' was odd, in every respect.

    When watched as a UK live broadcast (please note my careful caveat, as I'm not certain it was live capture) the dynamic range (both in terms of luminance and video resolution) was at times consistent with a true live studio image (presumably it was above Times Square, or depicted as such?). But at other parts of that sequence it certainly did not appear conventionally live.

    I'm familiar with the overall effects that occur when adaptive bandwidth/bit-rate optimisation systems kick-in, and it might've been partly down to this (digital video systems under pressure can create weird effects). I'll also concede that remote inline production suites can generate bizarre unwanted outputs (especially if uplinked as raw feeds). But this was way out there, in the annuls of televisual oddness.

    Ditto snap. I'm not deliberately analytical, it's just as intrinsic a sense for me as vision or hearing itself. I have always, instinctively, been able to perceive anomalies, and to remain (as far as possible) objective about what I see. It's an intrinsic part of what I am (and that's been demonstrably-proven to be correct, often, for many decades).
    Yes, so do I, but I can normally compensate, internally. Consciously note the flaw, and make a perceptual allowance.

    That was just not possible in this case- the odd differential between Scaramucci's mouth/movements, versus his narrative...it strikes me (in retrospect) that perhaps the offset in synchronisation itself was possibly also changing, during those shots? So it was varying between being off, and then even more off?
     
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    Schrodinger's Zebra Who put the writing on the walls?

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    Thank you for taking the time to respond to my points like you did. The lip sync issue is most definitely noticeable straightaway, and really quite bizarre.

    I'd hesitate to say certain - as I said, I'm reasonably sure. Wouldn't swear on it though!
    Because the interviewee has a strong accent (New York I think), it makes some words easier to lip-read because of the strong way his mouth moves on the words. Plus the fact that because the audio comes before the visual, I'm able to know what I expect him to say.

    But where his mouth doesn't move as much (is more mumbling for want of a better word), it is harder. And that's the places where I can't be sure.


    Yes, agree. The main interview looks pre-recorded, whereas the bit with the presenter and 'sync-problem-guy' looked, to my reasonably untrained eyes, "live".


    :)


    Me and Mr Zebra have now watched it a second time, and I think you're right - although the audio seems to always be in front of the video in those close-up shots, there does seem to be a variance in how far in front it is. Which then adds to the weirdness and is possibly one reason why I'm struggling with some of my lip-reading.

    Oh, and something Mr Zebra pointed out, which I thought was interesting, "The two of them seems an excessively wide shot, like they're just setting up before the interview." :shifty:




    Finally, I'm struggling a bit with terminology :oops:, so would you mind clarifying the above please? In terms of the difference between 'live broadcast' vs. 'live capture'? - here's what I think it means, but please correct me if I'm misunderstanding:

    Live Broadcast - "hello, this is Zebra coming to you live from London, here is a video I shot earlier in the day" <plays video>

    Live Capture - "hello, this is Zebra, everything I'm doing on camera is happening right now as you see it"
     
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    That is exactly what I was meaning.

    (More comments on certain other Trump-related video footage later, once I get the chance)
     
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    Trump really lost it today and with a journalist who has interviewed him on numerous occasions. He also hurled abuse at a former assistant.

    While several former presidents were en route to attend the funeral service of former first lady Barbara Bush on Saturday morning, President Donald Trump was tweeting insults at reporters and heading to the golf course.

    Trump took to Twitter to bash the New York Times after the newspaper reported on Friday that his attorney Michael Cohen, whose office, hotel room, and home were recently raided as part of an investigation into his business dealings, might cooperate with federal prosecutors. The president referred to Times reporter Maggie Haberman, who recently won a Pulitzer for her reporting on the Trump team, as “a Crooked H flunkie who I don’t speak to,” though he has likely given more interviews to her than to any other journalist. He also described former aide Sam Nunberg, who told the Times that Cohen “holds leverage over Trump” now, as “a drunk/drugged up loser.” ...

    https://www.motherjones.com/politic...ing-by-attacking-a-times-reporter-on-twitter/
     
  29. Schrodinger's Zebra

    Schrodinger's Zebra Who put the writing on the walls?

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    Now I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to politics, but... would it be fair to say that no other president in the history of presidents has ever behaved like Trump does?

    I hear about the things he "twitters" (or whatever you call it, I don't use social media) and I find myself thinking he's the President of the United States... how can he be saying/doing this?"




    On a (tenuously) related note... when I was little I used to think the president of America starred in a TV advert.

    It was only as I got older that I realised he wasn't the same president I thought he was:


    [​IMG]
     
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    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    Victor Kiam would have made a much better president than Trump.
    I read his book 'Going for It!: How to Succeed As an Entrepreneur' - it was an interesting insight into the man.
     

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