Discussion in 'Urban Legends & Folklore' started by uair01, Jun 30, 2012.
We've had posts about that here. Can't find them just now.
In ancient Rome, slave children would be purchased to be used as beggars, and children who were in some way maimed or disfigured made more effective beggars, because they were more heart-rending. Perhaps slave children with physical infirmities ended up as beggars because they were "good for nothing else", and perhaps sometimes perfectly healthy children would be deliberately mutilated, to make them more tragic. In either case, the fate of such children when they became too old to be child beggars was probably the obvious one.
Here's one of a lynching in China:
A mob of parents have killed a book salesman and badly injured four of his colleagues after rumours spread that the men were a human smuggling ring.
China's official Xinhua news agency said the attack, at a primary school, occurred while the group handed out leaflets about a lecture.
Getting a little off-topic but I enjoyed this VICE documentary. I'm still not clear if the power of scopolamine is a UL or a real thing.
This thread contains some of the posts we've been talking about
So where were the US gypsies transported to? Did they put them in camps?
I took it to mean that they were being escorted out of the city, rather than being transported somewhere. I suspect that for whatever reason, they probably ended up settling somewhere, or maybe just disappearing into the great outdoors (easier to do in the US, I imagine).
Perhaps, but are they really the types to be living off the land?
you're quite wrong to say there are no such things as gypsies in America, nowadays. or that no one speaks of them.
Their classic move is to gain entry to a home, distract the residents, while one of them tosses another room, grabbing jewelry, cash, small valuables. The owner never realizes he's been robbed, until they are gone. Police regularly warn residents to never let anyone in claiming to be from utilities, asking for water for their pregnant daughter seems to be a popular scam. They usually hit poorer neighborhoods, because those people keep cash, and are more likely to help them, and not immediately call the police. Police call them Gypsies. but they just don't mean vagrant thieves, they mean gypsies.
my experiences- i walked a park road everyday, with my son in a stroller, and dog by our side. one particular summer, a large group of teens and preteens, boys and girls, were in a park shelter almost every day. These kids had dark skin, but weren't african american or Indian. I couldn't place their ethnicity. The boys wore clothes a little formal for american kids their age and for the weather...long sleeve shirts and long dark trousers, the girls wore full skirts, horizontally striped with bright colors. They were an odd bunch, but seemed bemused by ME as i walked by, as if I was the oddity. One afternoon, we returned home. Our house was at the end of a little used cul de sac. I was sitting on the porch, which was covered by an awning and shaded by large yew shrubs. the dog was on a long lead, and was resting in the shade of the porch. Sitting quietly, I could not be seen from the street by a casual passerby , but i could see the street perfectly well. My little son was ambling about on the little bit of yard in the front of the house. A car with 4 of these teenagers pulled slowly down our street, turned in the turn around, came back down, and stopped in front of our house. They were eyeing my son! i could see them thru the shrubs. I jumped up and ran out onto the lawn, grabbing my son. That got a big laugh from all in the car, and they sped away. Later I spoke to the police, and they said, gypsies. They had gotten a lot of complaints, things missing, cars gone into, these kids found where they shouldn't have been, that sort of thing. My mother's instinct told me my son was in danger, and I believe he was about to get snatched.
A year or so later, small groups of gypsies invaded the local mall from time to time, doing distract, grab and runs. The police were looking for a large late model cadillac (the big barge type) with stolen Texas plates. Police said gypsies, local news had to more politically correct, and they called them a gang of migrant thieves.
In a neighboring local town, a rash of thefts. Police said small windows were smashed out behind the shops,and children were lowered into the windows, and they then opened the doors for their adult handlers. Once again police said gypsies.
So while it may be considered passe or even racist to say the the G word. They still exist. And some perhaps are up to no good.
why would you assume the story she related was "fokelore"? thats pretty presumptuous. does it make you uncomfortable to think that children are stolen?
Although I have never met the family myself, friends of my wife's friend had their four-year-old daughter kidnapped in China while on holiday with her grandmother. If that sounds like a tenuous link, I can assure you this is not an urban myth. She was taken when the grandmother went to the lavatory and police believe they were probably being followed for some time. I do have a few more details (not many), but I won't be posting them.
This occurred last year and despite consulate assistance and a police investigation no lead or information has ever arisen and the family assume she is dead. I didn't say as much, but perhaps this is a coping strategy as it may be better than some of the alternatives. Kidnapping statistics in China look high because the huge population means that even infrequent phenomena are multiplied up, but the abduction of children is still a major issue in China: the figures I've read suggest anywhere between 20,000 and 200,000 are taken annually (no figure is reliable). The popular narrative is that regular Chinese people have learnt over the last century or so that it never pays to put your head over the parapet and will turn away and ignore even blatantly suspicious or criminal behaviour in public rather that risk getting involved. I don't have enough experience of China to confirm or deny this thesis, although it does remind me of the cases where drivers who have knocked down cyclists or pedestrians then try to kill their victims as the law requires the guilty party to pay potentially-lifelong medical expenses to his victim (I hope I'm getting that right): great pressures on malleable materials bring about grotesque forms.
Edit: just had a Google. The kidnapping hasn't been reported in any English-language media.
Edit2: wife has just corrected me, she was six, not four.
I've heard this a few times too.
An old child-snatching UL: the purple baths of Louis XV
What about authorities?
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