Fulshear Fish Fall

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  1. Sharon Hill

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    Back on January 16, there was a reported fish fall during a snow and sleet event outside of Houston, Tx. The weather event was weird, but not that weird, until one suburban neighborhood reported fish with the ice pellets.

    Only ONE news outlet covered the story. But Paul Cropper and I discussed it extensively on my Group of Fort facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/groups/GroupOfFort/

    Paul (in Australia) did some extra inquiries to residents, meteorologists and ichthyologists to get more info. This may turn out to be one of the best-documented cases on record as it certainly does appear the fish ACTUALLY fell. The waterspout idea is thoroughly out the window.

    Check out the interview I did with Paul for my podcast.
    https://soundcloud.com/15credstreet/34-credible-vs-the-un-credible

    That page also contains links to the other discussion page that has photos submitted by the residents and from the news broadcast.

    Here is the original story which isn't much: https://www.click2houston.com/news/winter-storms-deliver-fish-in-fulshear-residents-yards
     
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    Nice podcast.
    Halfway through, so haven't heard any conclusions yet. If the interviewee has no ideas, what are the other plausible theories besides the waterspout idea?
     
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    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...sh-frogs-and-golf-balls-fall-skies-180956527/

     
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    https://www.livescience.com/44760-raining-frogs.html

     
  5. Sharon Hill

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    skinny: These are the sites that people find when they google the phenomena and just assume that is what happened. But, as I said, whirlwind/waterspout is not relevant here. It didn't appear to happen. No one reported even more than moderate wind. What's the answer? Unknown; a true mystery.
     
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    The Click2Houston website link you posted did:

    "There was a strong north wind blowing Tuesday. The Metzes and their neighbors suspect these fish may have been scooped up from two small ponds in the neighborhood just north of their homes."
     
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    We've looked at the winds and the weather radar. Paul checked with a local meteorologist. Winds were no more than 20-30 mph and no one in the neighborhood reported gusts associated with the fish. The fish were marine, not from ponds, as far as we know right now. Also, someone needs to explain how a wind can pick up one kind of fish from the water and distribute them across a square mile.
     
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    Hard to tell from the pictures, but they look like a pretty common minnow-type fish, possibly shiner. If the waterspout theory is correct, I wouldn't say it's unusual to only pick up one kind of fish as they tend to swim in shoals.

    Still, fish falls are always fun (except for the fish, presumably).
     
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    I posted links to our information where a local university ichthyologists identified the fish as gulf menhaden. Samples have been sent for further I.D. I see no evidence that the waterspout speculation makes sense for any fish fall (though they are varied and have various potential solutions). Waterspouts or tornadoes do not suck things up, they blow things apart. It's overly simplistic to surmise that 200 of these fish in a shoal were all picked up from the water by a whirlwind and transported together 80 miles away where they were dropped on a 1 mile square area. Since that has never been definitively demonstrated to have occurred and is implausible, we must seek better conclusions.

    I'd be very interested if anyone has actual documentation about the waterspout/tornado idea because it doesn't sound plausible to me.

    Clarification: Smaller, lighter objects are obviously transported long distances in the upper atmosphere. The problem is picking up a living thing with substantial weight beyond sand grains or leaves, etc.
     
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    the biggest weirdness about those cases is that the fall is always of an specific animal or in some very rare cases object
    almost as if some intelligence was behind it
     
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    Ah, but equal surface areas/weights/brood populations/common source vectors can all contribute to the semblance of sentient selectivity. We shall call it the Seemingly-Celestial Sieve

    Annoyingly-enough....
     
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    I misread that as The Seemingly-Celestial Steve.
     
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    And indeed it may well be so. For blesséd are those of The Steve.

    (The true ascended one, from Macclesfield. Who rode into the heavens upon his Honda CB250K4, since his Triumph had been stolen)
     
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    but why reports of different species arent more common?
     
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    He's got you, Erms. Just lay down.
     
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    lol
     
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    Never going to happen....

    Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you mean with your question.

    My faux postulation is that whatever physical selection mechanism is involved, it seems to favour either a specific species and/or location.

    Let's presume (from a flora:fauna:fit) perspective that these are equivalencies (this is not as crazy as it sounds: an ecological niche, location or hierarchy, is occupied by any given species within a predictable predation/domain pyramid).

    It is extremely-unusual for two convergent* species-types to co-exist within the same bounded environment. And even more unusual for two divergent /interpredatory species to co-exist within a common area. [nb I summarise, simplify and skip over many counter-examples, eg symbiotes and locations with limited resource, but I'm attempting to convey a theory]. (* importantly....any given eco-niche will tend to be occupied by an exact speciated group. Hence the eco-tension between red & grey squirrels. Or beavers & otters. Only one species will tend occupy one viable exploitable space...overlaps are simply uneasy killing zones)

    Therefore...if we presume for the purposes of this that the...upsuck (whatever or however it is) sucks-up at a location....the bioset so upsucked will tend to be single species. So, young Arctic Charr will be (in this theory) present during a drop, and not young brown trout, hitching a side-ride. Despite similar size/weight/scale/surface area.

    Because they (the notional Charr) occupy the mysteriously-upsucked precise location...a loch/lake/lochan, whilst the trouted river Xhundred metres away remains untouched.
     
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    there are also weirder reports on record, like meat falls, slime falls and even worm falls
    so something else is up here
     
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    All such phenomena likely have various causes. It's probably not the best bet to group weird rains except casually (not causally) since they have different qualities.
     
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    the reports usually describe the same thing: weird stuff falling from the sky like rain
    the only exception to that rule that i can remenber right now, is an case where an random fisher was hit in the head by an frozen squid that semmed to come from nowhere
     

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