Fulshear Fish Fall

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  1. Sharon Hill

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    Back on January 16, there was a reported fish fall during a snow and sleet event outside of Houston, Tx. The weather event was weird, but not that weird, until one suburban neighborhood reported fish with the ice pellets.

    Only ONE news outlet covered the story. But Paul Cropper and I discussed it extensively on my Group of Fort facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/groups/GroupOfFort/

    Paul (in Australia) did some extra inquiries to residents, meteorologists and ichthyologists to get more info. This may turn out to be one of the best-documented cases on record as it certainly does appear the fish ACTUALLY fell. The waterspout idea is thoroughly out the window.

    Check out the interview I did with Paul for my podcast.
    https://soundcloud.com/15credstreet/34-credible-vs-the-un-credible

    That page also contains links to the other discussion page that has photos submitted by the residents and from the news broadcast.

    Here is the original story which isn't much: https://www.click2houston.com/news/winter-storms-deliver-fish-in-fulshear-residents-yards
     
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    Nice podcast.
    Halfway through, so haven't heard any conclusions yet. If the interviewee has no ideas, what are the other plausible theories besides the waterspout idea?
     
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    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...sh-frogs-and-golf-balls-fall-skies-180956527/

     
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    https://www.livescience.com/44760-raining-frogs.html

     
  5. Sharon Hill

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    skinny: These are the sites that people find when they google the phenomena and just assume that is what happened. But, as I said, whirlwind/waterspout is not relevant here. It didn't appear to happen. No one reported even more than moderate wind. What's the answer? Unknown; a true mystery.
     
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    The Click2Houston website link you posted did:

    "There was a strong north wind blowing Tuesday. The Metzes and their neighbors suspect these fish may have been scooped up from two small ponds in the neighborhood just north of their homes."
     
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  8. Sharon Hill

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    We've looked at the winds and the weather radar. Paul checked with a local meteorologist. Winds were no more than 20-30 mph and no one in the neighborhood reported gusts associated with the fish. The fish were marine, not from ponds, as far as we know right now. Also, someone needs to explain how a wind can pick up one kind of fish from the water and distribute them across a square mile.
     
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    Hard to tell from the pictures, but they look like a pretty common minnow-type fish, possibly shiner. If the waterspout theory is correct, I wouldn't say it's unusual to only pick up one kind of fish as they tend to swim in shoals.

    Still, fish falls are always fun (except for the fish, presumably).
     
  10. Sharon Hill

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    I posted links to our information where a local university ichthyologists identified the fish as gulf menhaden. Samples have been sent for further I.D. I see no evidence that the waterspout speculation makes sense for any fish fall (though they are varied and have various potential solutions). Waterspouts or tornadoes do not suck things up, they blow things apart. It's overly simplistic to surmise that 200 of these fish in a shoal were all picked up from the water by a whirlwind and transported together 80 miles away where they were dropped on a 1 mile square area. Since that has never been definitively demonstrated to have occurred and is implausible, we must seek better conclusions.

    I'd be very interested if anyone has actual documentation about the waterspout/tornado idea because it doesn't sound plausible to me.

    Clarification: Smaller, lighter objects are obviously transported long distances in the upper atmosphere. The problem is picking up a living thing with substantial weight beyond sand grains or leaves, etc.
     
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    the biggest weirdness about those cases is that the fall is always of an specific animal or in some very rare cases object
    almost as if some intelligence was behind it
     

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