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  1. Spudrick68

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    I recall hearing of a Motorhead gig years ago in Germany, the lighting rig resembling a Lancaster bomber. Apparently Lemmy said "I bet you haven't seen one of these in a few years". Sorry to digress.
     
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    Read "The Secret Diaries of Hitler's Doctor" by David Irving. Download it free here:
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Morell/Morell.pdf
    Yes yes, I know he's not liked, and has been pretty controversial, but he was the one who deciphered Dr Morell's diaries and did all the hard work in archive rooms so that people like Ohler can claim to be revealing amazing new information. There's no dodgy Revisionism, it won't turn you into a Holocaust Denier by downloading and reading his work, but his research references and appendices are very thorough (which is probably why he's never been able to be dismissed, despite the conclusions he draws from that solid research data). When you see some of the shite Morell was pumping into Hitler throughout the war, it's a wonder he made it to 1945.
     
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    Agreed.

    That Hitler effectively allowed himself to be a guinea pig for Morell is staggering.
     
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    What was the reasoning behind plying Hitler with such drugs? Is this reasoning known?
     
  5. Coastaljames

    Coastaljames Justified and Ancient

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    Hitler demanded it. Because he was an addict.
     
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    RaM Great Old One

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    Many of their top men were on drugs having got hooked on them due
    to it's use as pain killers for injuries in WW1.
     
  7. Coastaljames

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    Also the heavy use of pharmaceuticals was widespread amongst the entire German population throughout the 20s and 30s.
     
  8. LordRsmacker

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    When Morell first got to work with Hitler, he thought it was a sure-fire way to make loadsamoney. He was manufacturing his own cure-all pep pills (Vitamultin Forte) and obviously getting his feet under the top Nazi table and an official endorsement would mean serious orders and wealth. Once he'd had the luck to apparently fix one or two of Hitler's minor snuffles, that was that, the Fuhrer would only trust him.

    I think that was a poisoned chalice - there were obviously other physicians who would have liked the top job, and who were sceptical about the treatments Morell was carrying out. Sometimes Hitler would have recovered without treatment, other times the feeling was Morell's treatments were actually harming Hitler, but in that nest of vipers, getting your opinion across would have been nigh on impossible. If Hitler wanted and trusted someone, there was no telling him otherwise, especially later on when he trusted very few people at all.

    Of course, once Morell had landed the plum job, the war kicked off and Hitler started suffering from terrible nervous conditions, along with spending his life in dank, air-conditioned bunkers which meant he always had some ache, pain, sniffle etc. The doctor had to keep on top of these maladies, and be seen to be doing something. No point in telling the Fuhrer to man up and get a bit of fresh air, eat something decent and get a few early nights.

    The worst part for Morell must have been discovering, through his frequent urine, blood and stool tests, that Hitler was not just a pussy suffering from man-flu, but someone with serious underlying health issues which could have seen him drop dead at any time (something that Hitler had long suspected, although Morell never informed the patient of his findings). Who would want to be the doctor in charge when the beloved Fuhrer croaked? I think Morell just kept lobbing loads into the mix in the hope Hitler would recover form his ailments and he'd get the credit. If it didn't kill him, it was a partial victory! As long as he was being called to see the Fuhrer every other day, he wasn't going to find himself in Dachau after some other doctor proved he was a quack, so he kept the courses of injections, pills and ointment flowing.

    Even in the final months of the war, when Morell managed to wriggle away from the Fuhrerbunker, his successors had to face a Hitler who "knew" what was wrong with him and the best treatment (ie. what Morell had been popping into him), and were hardly likely to be able to convince him otherwise. There's a lot of crap put about concerning Hitler's drug-taking, but he wasn't a hard-core knowing junkie like Goering who was feeding a long-term morphine addiction. Hitler simply demanded whatever pick-me-up Morell had used successfully before, without knowing what was in it, and the good doctor dutifully administered the shots.

    Below is a list of the things Morell was giving Hitler, taken from the appendix of "The Secret Diaries..." mentioned above. Because I copied and pasted from a pdf, the numbers haven't come out as text, but it gives you an idea. If anyone is that interested, go read the book, it's a mind-boggling read! How might things have been different if a really talented doctor had sorted Hitler's digestive problems and allowed him to focus on the war (or rather, allowed his generals to do their job, rather than assuming command, micro-managing, then taking to his bed for days with stomach cramps). Just another lucky break for us all.
     
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    Acidol-Pepsin
    (Bayer) Indicated for dyspepsia, lack of appetite.
    Antiphlogistine-Poultices
    (Lyssia) A paste to be applied by poultice in cases of inflammation of the joints and glands, pleurisy, bruises, knocks and abrasions.
    Belladonna Obstinol
    (Dr. Thiemann & Co.) Against constipation in patients with hyper-sensitive intestinal tracts. For use with patients with vegetative regulatory disorders and tendency to spasms.
    Benerva-fortissime
    (Roche) Indicated: Vitamin B deficiency, neuralgia, sciatica, circulatory disorders with vitamin deficiencies; if repeatedly used in some cases it may result in shock, so it must be very slowly in-jected.
    Betabion-forte
    (Merck, Darmstadt) Aneurin chloride hydrochloride. Indicated:vegetative disorders.
    Bismogenol
    (Tosse) Bismuth campho-carbonate, used in treating the neck glands.
    Boxberger pills against constipation.
    Brom-Nervacit
    (A. Herbert Pharmacy, Wiesbaden) When Hitler became excited or aggravated, which was often, Morell would prescribe one or two tablespoons of Brom-Nervacit, an old and well-known tranquil-liser consisting of
    percent potassium bromide,  .  percent so-dium phosphate, one percent naphrodyl, diethyl-Barbiturate acid,
    phenyldimethylpyrazolon, alcohol, sweetener and aromatics. To prevent a bromine reaction Morell would however prescribe it only during alternate eight-week periods.
    Calcium Sandoz
    (Sandoz, Nuremberg) Calcium gluconal actobional. Indicated: disorders of calcium metabolism. Allergic disorders. Hæmorrhages.
    Calomel Subchloride of mercury (HgCl). “Used frequently for cleansing enemas, which Hitler administered [to] himself,” says OI/CIR/
    Cantan
    One tablet contained  . pure l-ascorbic acid. Indicated: vitamin C deficiency.
    Cardiazol
    (Knoll, Ludwigshafen) In , Morell began administering Cardiazol (chemical designation: pentamethylenetetrazol) to overcome the circulatory disorder evident from the œdema observed by Morell
    on the external and internal malleoli (bony prominences) of Hitler’s fibulae and tibia.
    Normal dosage would be twenty drops taken three or four times a day. Professor Schenck says, “We now know that the effect is relatively short-lived. The drug is still available, but it is not as highly rated as it used to be.”
    Castor oil
    Oleum ricini. A purgative.
    Chineurin
    (Hamma, Olmütz) Prepared in capsules by Dr. Kurt Mulli. It contained some quinine, and was occasionally used therapeutically against colds, administered orally to Hitler after a meal, in place of Ultraseptyl (q.v.).
    Coramin
    (Ciba) Well known respiratory and circulatory stimulant: PyridinB-carbonic acid diethylamide, used like Cardiazol.
    Cortiron
    (Schering) Chemical name: desoxycoticosteron acetate. Morell injected this intramuscularly into Hitler on a few occasions, to combat muscle weakness and influence the carbohydrate metabolism and fat resorption.
    Dolantin
    (Hoechst) Controlled by the Narcotics Act. A powerful and effective analgesic and pain-killer.
    Enterofagos ampoules
    (Antipiol) Indicated: Acute and chronic diseases of the gastro-intestinal tract, constipation caused by bacteria.
    Eubasin
    A sulpha drug used only once by Morell, since injected intragluteally it caused pain. He used it therapeutically to cure a cold.
    Euflat
    This was a combined preparation of radix angelica, papaverin, aloe, active bile extracts, coffee,
    charcoal, pancreas extract. Morell supplied Euflat pills to Hitler to improve his digestion and combat the meteorism.
    Eukodal
    (Merck, Darmstadt) Dihydro-hydroxycodeinon hydrochloride. Indicated: For use instead of morphine in cases of severe pain and tenderness.
    Familiar since
    ,a synthetic morphium derivate, controlled by the Narcotics Act. Injected intravenously against epigastric
    cramps.
    Eupaverin
    (Merck) Synthetic alkaloid, an anti-convulsant made from poppies.Indicated: Spasms, embolisms, peripheral blood disorders. Used similarly to Eukodal. Morell would mix .  gram Eukodal with .  gram Eupaverin and inject them as a cocktail intravenously.
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    Franzbranntwein
    An ancient and popular liniment: alcohol, pine needle oil. Still available.
    Gallestol Glucose.Morell injected  percent glucose, usually in  cc shots, in Hitler from  to the end, to supply calories. He told his American interrogators that he injected it only every second or third day, but the diaries show he used it much more frequently. He wrote on December , : “By injecting glucose, I’m doing what I
    can to strengthen his heart and also to dehydrate the system.”
    Glyconorm
    (Nordmark Works, Hamburg) Containing metabolic ferments like Cozymase I and II, vitamins B , B  and C, and the amino acids cystein, histidine, tryptophane, and a cocktail of extracts of the cardiac muscle, suprarenal gland, liver and pancreas. Used mainly to prevent pellagra, a nutritional skin disorder, and against vitamin C deficiency, carbohydrate metabolism disorders, intoxication and neuritis. Morell administered cc shots intramuscularly to
    check Hitler’s digestive disturbances.
    Glycovarin glucose
    Harmin
    An alkaloid, one of the family of drugs extracted from deadly nightshade (Solanaceæ), used against tremors, but which according to Professor Schenck has no real advantage over other such atropine-based drugs.
    Homburg 68o
    (Homburg) A stabilised extract from the Bulgarian belladonna (deadly nightshade) root. Indicated: all diseases of the Parkinsonism variety, in particular that known as morbus Parkinson (paralysis agitans).
    Homoseran
    (Hamma, Olmütz) A preparation made from placenta, injected by Morell into Hitler for the first time on November
    ,. Morell administered it to Hitler (two ampoules intramuscularly every second day) to ward off his depressive moods.
    Prostrophanta
    (Probably made by Hamma, but unlisted in any codex.) Each ampoule of Prostrophanta contained
     .  milligrams of Strophantin (q.v.) in combination with glucose and vitamin B complex (nicotinic acid).
    Quadronox-Tabletten
    (Axta) Sedative.
    Relaxol
    (Fischer) Indicated: for various kinds of constipation.
    Sangostop
    A hæmostatic.
    S. E. E. injections
    (Merck) Later known as Scophedal, and controlled by the Narcotics Act. Indicated: pain killer, tranquilliser.
    Septoiod
    (Diewag Chemical Factory, Berlin) Prescribed against Hitler’s respiratory infections. A solution of three percent iodine, made up of various iodine salts. The intention was that after instillation, the free iodine would be released and disinfect inflamed areas and increase bodily resistance. Morell injected shots of up to  cc intravenously. He also expected the Septoiod to retard the progress of Hitler’s coronary sclerosis, and he occasionally used it as a
    substitute for the toxic Ultraseptyl.
    Spasmopurin suppositories
    Used by Morell against Hitler’s epigastric spasms.
    Strophantin
    This crystalline glucoside was used as a powerful heart tonic after the August  electrocardiogram indicated that Hitler was suffering a progressive coronary sclerosis. For two or three weeks at a time Morell injected intravenously with Strophantin daily, and he continued this treatment on several occasions to the end of Hitler’s life. It was a powerful and direct-acting stimulant. In order to reduce the risk of inducing a cardiac arrest by injecting
    too high a concentration too fast, it was usually mixed with  cc of glucose (sometimes in the form of the commercially premixed Prostrophanta), and both were injected in one syringe.
    Sympathol
    (Boehringer)(chemical name: Para-oxyphenylethanolmethylamine.)
    Used to increase the heart-minute-volume of blood. After  Morell administered ten drops of Sympathol in a solution to be swallowed each day. Sympathol is only one-hundredth as effective as adrenaline.
    Tempidorm
    (Roland) A barbiturate suppository. Indicated: Insomnia, sleep disorders.
    Testoviron
    (Schering) Testosterone, the male sex hormone secreted by the testes. Indicated: anginal disorders, depressive conditions.
    Thrombovetren
    (Promonta) A heart tablet.
    Tibatin
    A sulphonamide drug.
    Tonophosphan
    (Bayer) Supplied in – percent ampoules or .  gram tablets, Tonophosphan was the sodium salt of dimethyl-amino-methylphenyl-phosphinic acid. It was a recognised stimulant for unstriped muscles and was also administered to supply the body with phosphorus. Morell injected Tonophosphan subcutaneously in Hitler frequently during the latter years of the war.
    Tonsiosan (Schwabe)
    Trocken-Koli-Hamma
    (Hamma, Olmütz) A coli preparation developed by Professor Laves of the University of Graz, in capsules, and used as a substitute for Mutaflor(q.v.) as the Mutaflor supply dried up during the war.
    Tussamag
    (Tempelhof ) Indicated: Expectoration; acute and chronic catarrh  of the upper respiratory tract.
    Ultraseptyl
    (Chinoin, Budapest) A sulphonamide drug. Its chemical designation was  -(p-aminobenzolsolfanamido)-
     -methylthiazol. Morell would administer one or two tablets to Hitler, each containing  .  gram, with much
    fluid, like fruit juice or water, after a meal,against colds and infections.
    Vitamultin-Calcium
    (Hamma, Olmütz) Its ingredients varied, but in one form it contained ascorbic acid, calcium, vitamin C and vitamin B
    ,and was filled into ampoules of  cc.Each ampoule thus contained  . gram vitamin C and .  milligrams of B  (aneurin)–minimal quantities which would not even remotely approach the daily needs of an adult male. It is interesting to note that Rudolf Franck’s pharmacological handbook lists as further ingredients nicotinamide and a minute quantity of p-amidobenzoyldiethylamino-ethanol hydrochloride (otherwise known as procain, the cocaine-
    like alkaloid now marketed as Novocaine).
    Vitamultin-forte
    (Hamma, Olmütz) Ampoules of this were first injected by Morell on March  ,,to combat Hitler’s general fatigue. Not listed in any pharmacological handbook, nor are the ingredients evident from Morell’s papers.
    Yat r e n
    One tablet of Yatren contained .  grams of chinoiforum iodoxychinolinsulphate. Indicated: amœbic dysentery.
     
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    One thing if he was getting that lot down is neck he would
    not have to wast time actually eating food.


    :eek::eek::eek:
     
  11. Coastaljames

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    Yes, Ohler definitely makes this point. Hitler didn't really care what Morell gave him and, it seems, was not even aware what the majority of it was. I forget who it was but it was one of his senior officers in the bunker, right near the end, who had to tell him that Morell has made an opiate-addict out of him. Rest assured it didn't go down well.
     
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    That is such a HUGE list, I can almost understand why Hitler was psychotic.
     
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    So imagine how he felt at the very end of days in the bunker when he couldn't get any of this...
     
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    Scheiße!
     
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    Yep. Morell had two motorcyclists driving round bombed and burnt out Berlin going to the wreckage of every pharmacy trying to get stuff to keep Hitler on an even-keel. Unsuccessfully, before he was ordered away.

    The Americans eventually caught him but released him without charge, only half-jokingly postulating that he had actually helped the Allied cause by turning Hitler into a jelly.
     
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