Conspiracy In The U.S. Election & Trump's Presidency

Discussion in 'Conspiracy: General' started by Tribble, Nov 11, 2016.

  1. Mythopoeika

    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    Fascinating to see the machinations of their corruption out there for all to see.
    Far too many vested interests in that Presidency. Is it enough to impeach? Gosh, I hope so.
     
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    Mungoman Mostly harmless...

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    And this is why it was inevitable that Number 45 would win the American election - even though I couldn't believe that the majority of the American people would vote for him.
     
  3. XBergMann

    XBergMann Devoted Cultist

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    The oil is in Siberia which is a long way from Ukraine (not the Ukraine by the way).

    What pipelines are you talking about? Surely you are not confusing things with the gas pipelines through Ukraine which pump gas not oil.

    Ukraine does not tax oil going through its pipelines because no oil does it is gas ... Ukraine does not tax going through its pipelines either but charges a fee based per 1,000 cu m of gas per 100 KMs - this is a standard supply chain fee and in no way shape or form represents heavy taxation as you claim.

    How on earth are they going to pump oil through Crimea - look at a map. The oil pipelines you mention do not exist and how is Russia going to get the oil to Crimea (again look at a map )- why not send it through Nakhodka as they currently do.

    It sounds to me like you making stuff up ... can I ask why?
     
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    kamalktk Justified & Ancient

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    Before accusing me of making stuff up, I can see that you didnt read my post, namely the first line of it.
     
  5. XBergMann

    XBergMann Devoted Cultist

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    OK then - you posted it so one can assume your agreement otherwise why would you post something you do not agree with.

    Secondly if you know it to be made up (and yes I do accuse you of posting made up stuff because you did) then why post it - unless of course you agree with it (see sentence above).

    I also note that you do not refer to my explanations of why what you post is completely untrue thus deflecting attention away from the false narrative that you chose to share in the first place.

    Siberian oil through Crimea transported by oil pipelines that do not exist and which Ukraine apparently heavily taxes?!?

    Again I ask why do you post this stuff if 1) you know it to be false 2) you believe it to be true - didn't bother to look at a map first which would have shown you in seconds how ridiculous your claims are
     
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    XBergMann Devoted Cultist

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    And here is another one full of made up stuff that has no bearing in reality.

    Putting "saw this elsewhere" at the top of your post and then posting a load of lies and made up garbage is a bit pathetic don't you agree?

    Do you believe that as long as you write "saw this elsewhere" you can write whatever lies you want. You were even too embarrassed to provide a link.

    Russian oil going through heavily taxed Ukrainian pipelines.... it is not true ... it is a lie .... these oil pipelines do not exist. Yet you keep posting this. Do you believe that if you post it enough times the casual reader will accept it as true?
     
  7. Ulalume

    Ulalume tart of darkness

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    This is a conspiracy theory thread. For the posting of conspiracy theories that are rumored about the US election 2016, not necessarily factual information.
     
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    ramonmercado CyberPunk

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    kamalktk Justified & Ancient

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    Comey confirms FBI probe into Trump-Russia collusion
    The director of the FBI also says there's 'no information' to support Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/adam-schiff-trump-twitter-wiretapping-russia-ties-236249

    The president’s official Twitter account is spreading falsehoods about the Comey hearing
    He’s peddling blatantly misleading claims about Russia’s involvement in the election.

    http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/20/14984662/trump-tweet-comey-russia
     
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    Ulalume tart of darkness

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    hmmm...
    http://americablog.com/2017/03/nati...n-russian-spy-trump-just-threw-flynn-bus.html
    (sorry for lack of excerpt, but I can't seem to copy from that page.)

    For those that don't know, the National Enquirer is a salacious tabloid found at supermarket checkouts - and are long term buddy-buddies of Donald Trump.

    The rumor's been going around that General Flynn is gong to turn state's evidence. No idea if there's any truth to that, but the Enquirer running this story is weird, real weird.
     
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    I believe last week their front page was 'someone's going to jail for Russia ties.... and it's Hilary!'. There was a supermarket tabloid headline like that last week.
     
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    So Trump caught a spy, but didn't stick the spy in jail because... ? Even their made up stories promoting Trump fail at it.
     
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    Yithian Last Man Standing Staff Member

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    Tribble Furry Idiot

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    Where do I claim my prize? This isn't exactly what I pictured happening, but its consistent with it... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39461869
     
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    Trump whose campaign is under FBI investigation threatens the head of the FBI

    Trump says he has ‘confidence’ in FBI Director Comey but it’s ‘not too late’ to fire him

    By Matt Zapotosky April 12 at 1:05 PM
    President Trump said in an interview aired Wednesday morning that he has “confidence” in FBI Director James B. Comey, but it was “not too late” to fire him.

    Trump has long sent mixed signals on Comey and the bureau director’s future in government, though his comments to Fox Business Network’s Maria Bartiromo are especially important because Comey has now confirmed that the bureau is investigating possible coordination between the Russian government and the Trump campaign to influence the presidential election.

    Bartiromo brought up Comey’s name during a conversation about other Cabinet posts and government positions. After telling the president people were “scratching their heads” about President Barack Obama staffers that remained in place, Bartiromo asked, “For example, was it a mistake not to ask Jim Comey to step down from the FBI at the outset of your presidency? Is it too late now to ask him to step down?”

    “No, it’s not too late, but, you know, I have confidence in him,” Trump responded. “We’ll see what happens. You know, it’s going to be interesting.”

    The FBI director serves a fixed, 10-year term in part to insulate the bureau from political influence, though he is a part of the Department of Justice and lower on the organizational chart than the attorney general, a political position that changes with each new presidential administration. President Bill Clinton is the only president to have removed an FBI director since the death of J. Edgar Hoover in 1972. Clinton fired William S. Sessions in 1993 amid allegations of ethical improprieties.

    Relieving Comey of his duties would be politically damaging for Trump — especially with the bureau’s ongoing investigation related to his presidential campaign. On Monday, The Washington Post reported that the bureau had obtained a secret court order to monitor the communications of Carter Page, who had served as an adviser on the Trump campaign and who investigators thought might be acting as an agent of Russia. ...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-too-late-to-fire-him/?utm_term=.9bf6b292ebd5
     
  20. Mythopoeika

    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    'Confidence', eh?
    He's a goner.
     
  21. Analis

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    The story does of taping trump's associates does not die so easily :
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/03/s...roduce-detailed-spreadsheets-involving-trump/

    Former US Attorney: Susan Rice Ordered Spy Agencies To Produce ‘Detailed Spreadsheets’ Involving Trump
    Richard Pollock
    10:08 PM 03/04/2017

    Update: In response to a question Tuesday from NBC News reporter Andrea Mitchell, former Obama White House National Security Adviser Susan Rice denied that she “prepared” spreadsheets of surveilled telephone calls involving Donald Trump and his aides. The Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group, however, reported that Rice “ordered” the spreadsheets to be produced.

    In addition, former U.S. Attorney Joe DiGenova, one of TheDCNF’s sources, said Tuesday in response to Rice that her denial “would come as quite a surprise to the government officials who have reviewed dozens of those spreadsheets.”

    Former President Barack Obama’s national security adviser Susan Rice ordered U.S. spy agencies to produce “detailed spreadsheets” of legal phone calls involving Donald Trump and his aides when he was running for president, according to former U.S. Attorney Joseph diGenova.

    “What was produced by the intelligence community at the request of Ms. Rice were detailed spreadsheets of intercepted phone calls with unmasked Trump associates in perfectly legal conversations with individuals,” diGenova told The Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group Monday.
     
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    Well that story is too weeks old. Any developments since?
     
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    This suggests what Rice did was normal practice.

    “This is a standard practice,” says Elizabeth Goitein, co-director of the Brennan Center for Justice’s Liberty and National Security Program.

    There’s nothing inherently suspicious about incidental collection, and unmasking happens with decent regularity. The only potential scandal that could erupt from some such practices would relate to who requested the unmasking, and why? Which brings us to Susan Rice.

    It’s easy enough to see how a senior Obama administration official requesting the unmasking of Trump associates could cause a tempest. But less so when you consider the specific associate.

    “The national security advisor, every day, as part of the National Security Council, gets a compilation of intelligence reports every morning,” says Goitein. “To the extent that the reports include US person information that has been masked, per standard procedure, you would certainly expect the people who received those reports to be among the people who are requesting the unmasking.”

    That aligns with a brief interview Rice gave to NBC’s Andrea Mitchell. “There were occasions when I would receive a report in which a US person was referred to, name not provided,” Rice said. “Sometimes in that context in order to understand the importance of that report, and assess its significance, it was necessary to find out or request the information as to who that US official was.”

    All of which, again, isn’t just legal. It’s routine, especially for someone in Rice’s position at the time.

    “There’s certainly nothing illegal about it,” says Cordero. “The decision to request an unmask is a judgment call based on an individual’s national security responsibilities, and their need to understand the context.”

    It’s also not “leaking,” as some pundits have characterized it. Unmasked intelligence reports are still intended to remain within a relatively small circle of intelligence officials. There’s no presumption that the names will eventually become public. In fact, in this instance, the public only knows about the unmasking in the first place because the White House told Nunes that it had occurred and he went to the media with it. ...

    https://www.wired.com/2017/04/sorry-susan-rice-not-smoking-gun/
     
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    If the letter of the law may have been respected, this does not mean that the motives were themselves legitimate. There could well have been a missapropriation of the law, for unavowed or even shameful purposes, masking the true intent of monitoring political opponents. There is a similar suspicion related to the monitoring of Carte Page, during the presidential campaign, the motives of 'suspicions of spying' being an easy pretext, and in addition a dishonnest attempt at confusing any attempt to discuss future policy with Russian authorities after the election (a legitimate task in itself, and such talks are conducted by candidates with any number of foreign governments) with nefarious spying. The true spies, here, being Rice and the FBI. Certainly, they are dangling dangerously close to the line. That this was 'normal practice' would say how US governmental 'ethics' have degenerated in the last decades, including under Obama's rule.

    All in all, this was probably part of the campaign to have Trump align himself with the deep State dark schemes, resulting with the strikes on the Shayrat base.
     
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    (CNN)President Donald Trump and his White House have been adamant: There's absolutely no need for a special prosecutor to investigate the ties between his 2016 campaign and Russian intelligence operatives.

    At the moment, Congressional Republicans -- at least the bulk of them -- seem content to go along with Trump. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell insisted last week on the Senate floor that "too much is at stake" to appoint a special prosecutor, adding that such an appointment would "only serve to impede the current work being done to not only discover what the Russians may have done but also to let this body and the national security community develop counter measures."

    The public very much disagrees, according to new numbers from a NBC-Wall Street Journal poll released Sunday. Almost eight in ten people -- 78% -- said they would prefer an investigation led by an independent prosecutor or independent commission. Just 15% said they preferred an investigation led by Congress. ...

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/15/p...trump-russia/1112AMVODtopLink&linkId=37590952
     
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    There's no way this picture won't spawn or get incorporated into conspiracy theories.

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    the uncropped version:
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