Discussion in 'Conspiracy: General' started by Tribble, Nov 11, 2016.
Out like Flynn?
Out like Flynn!
Edit: Aaaargh! Yith beat me to it.
Friday evening, the New York Times ran a story about the time Steve Bannon quoted Julius Evola in a speech at a Vatican conference back in 2014. In the article, Jason Horowitz describes Bannon as “President Trump’s ideological guru,” and Julius Evola as “an esoteric Italian philosopher… [a] deeply taboo, Nazi-affiliated thinker.”
That’s one way of looking at it, to be sure. Horowitz continues:
Evola, who died in 1974, wrote on everything from Eastern religions to the metaphysics of sex to alchemy. But he is best known as a leading proponent of Traditionalism, a worldview popular in far-right and alternative religious circles that believes progress and equality are poisonous illusions.
From there, Horowitz proceeds to explore Evola in a largely political context, focusing on his connections to Italian fascism and the Nazis, as well as the inspiration he provides to more contemporary ultra-right, (white) nationalist movements in Europe and to America’s own Richard Spencer. And though he touches upon the mystical and occult aspects of Evola’s writing, I’d like to suggest that Horowitz doesn’t go nearly as far as he could in that direction, and that if more Americans knew more about the sort of stuff Julius Evola was really into, they’d be rather concerned that Steve Bannon appears to be into Julius Evola.
May I be the 1,000,000th person to observe that it is inconceivable for Flynn not to have known that any such telephone calls would've been recorded: overtly, covertly or both?
This is standard media:government disinformation. Anyone completely accepting this on face value is a fool. The true question (correction, a truer question) is, what is the value of this recounted narrative? General distraction and public entrancement? Specific diversionary tactic, concurrent with other unseen nefarious deeds? This was prophesied, in the wind on the wires....a "maverick" oddly-chosen military mannequin.
Tune in next week, folks, for the next exciting episode of 'Politics- the opiate of the masses'.
Breathe deeply, and calmly, as the soap opera unfolds. In the break, watch that gladiatorial sports event, as proxy people do exercises for you, and buy that product you've always known you need now.
Take home that movie tonight, and let those Hollywoodean themes of power and malevolance seep into your skin.
You are owned, soul-sold, if you buy this.
Sp he was always meant to be a sacrificial pawn, not an apparent Knight.
Jason Kander @JasonKander 20h20 hours ago
For weeks, POTUS allowed total access to American intel for a man he knew was vulnerable to Russian blackmail. Undisputed fact.
Kander is former Missouri Secretary of State and served in US Army Intelligence.
Robert Harward plans a housecleaning of Trump’s National Security Council staff
BY THOMAS E. RICKS FEBRUARY 15, 2017
President Donald Trump offered the job of national security advisor to retired Vice Adm. Robert Harward on Monday night, and was a bit surprised when Harward responded by saying he needed a couple of days to think it over.
If, as expected, Harward accepts the job today, he is likely to bring in his own team, from deputy on down, with a focus on national security types with some experience under their belts.
I think he would look especially to people he knows from his time working for the George W. Bush NSC from 2003 to 2005. No more Fox News talking heads. Instead, I think he would try to take a Scowcroftian approach to trying to run the interagency policy formulation process — deliberate, rigorous, careful. Just how that will fit with the style of the Twitterer-in-Chief, I don’t know.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see J.D. Crouch and David Trachtenberg appear at the White House gate in the next few days, with Crouch the leading candidate to be Harward’s deputy. Perhaps also Juan Zarate and Mike Singh.
Harward is, like the ousted Michael Flynn, a retired military flag officer. But I think he would be very different from Flynn.
Most importantly, he is not an ideologue, as Flynn seemed to have become in the last few years. Harward thinks of himself as a national security professional — and indeed once served on the NSC staff, during the Bush Administration. Before that, early in the Afghan war, he headed the Special Operations task force in Kandahar. ...
KremlinGate Enters Uncharted Waters as Russian Links Overwhelm DC
New revelations of clandestine ties between the president and Moscow bring turmoil to the Oval Office
By John R. Schindler • 02/15/17 6:15pm
Just a few days ago, I broke the story that the National Security Agency, the country’s most prolific and secretive spy service, was withholding highly sensitive intelligence from the White House, fearing that it might be compromised by members of Team Trump who possess unsettling links to Moscow. That bombshell, which gained significant media traction, was pooh-poohed by some pundits who preferred to ignore the new administration’s increasingly obvious ties to the Kremlin.
Then Michael Flynn, the embattled National Security Advisor, got pushed out late Monday, once the extent of his dishonesty about his repeated phone calls to the Russian ambassador came to light. Flynn’s unceremonious defenestration, just three weeks after the inauguration, sets a White House record—but what’s remarkable is how someone as slippery and dissimulating as Flynn lasted even that long.
Particularly since the Justice Department shared its security concerns about the National Security Advisor with the White House weeks ago, based on intercepts of calls between Flynn and the Russian embassy in Washington, to no avail. That Flynn lied about the content of those calls, specifically discussions of lifting sanctions on Russia, to Vice President Mike Pence, offered the ostensible reason why Flynn tendered his resignation, but the reality is murkier and more troubling.
In the first place, it’s difficult to see how Flynn decided to parley with Moscow without a go-ahead of some kind from Donald Trump. We don’t know this to be the case and cannot allege or even speculate that this occurred. But while Flynn is unquestionably a loose cannon, as a career military man he understands the chain of command with perfect clarity. Moreover, accepting that the soon-to-be National Security Advisor opened up back-channels of communication with the Kremlin all by himself is as credible as the notion that the Plumbers decided to break into the Watergate without orders from higher up. ...
Here's a conspiracy theory that's a little more far out, but still food for thought...
I think Huma stated that she had accessed her email from Weiner's computer, which means the emails weren't hacked on to the computer.
Judd Legum :
Here is a chain of events that I'm sure is just a COMPLETE coincidence
Since 2006, Trump has sought to trademark his brand in China. It wasn't going well. He kept losing in court.
After winning the presidency, Trump caused a stir by rejecting the "One China" policy, angering the Chinese gov't
Then, late last week, Trump abruptly reversed course. Said he was committed to one China
Yesterday, IN A COMPLETE COINCIDENCE, China reversed course and awarded Trump a trademark
This fits squarely into the definition of an emolument. Trump is getting something of value from a foreign gov't
He couldn't get it when he wasn't president but he can get it now.
Kind of amazing that, amid all the chaos, this story -- which should be a major scandal -- barely gets notice
Grassley & Feinstein jointly request DOJ/FBI briefing during the week of Feb. 27 on "circumstances that led to" Flynn's resignation.
Correct use of 'anticipate' - somebody's office staff needs a pay rise.
Robert Harward turns down Trump’s national security offer
Vice Admiral Robert Harward has rejected President Trump’s offer to be the new national security adviser, CBS News’ Major Garrett reports.
Sources close to the situation told Garrett Harward and the administration had a dispute over staffing the security council.
Two sources close to the situation confirm Harward Harward demanded his own team, and the White House resisted.
Specifically, Mr. Trump told Deputy National Security Adviser K. T. McFarland that she could retain her post, even after the ouster of National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. Harward refused to keep McFarland as his deputy, and after a day of negotiations over this and other staffing matters, Harward declined to serve as Flynn’s replacement.
Harward, a 60-year-old former Navy SEAL, served as deputy commander of U.S. Central Command under now-Defense Secretary James Mattis. He previously served as deputy commanding general for operations of Joint Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg in North Carolina. ...
Vice Admiral? Navy guy knows sinking ship when he sees it?
FBI has decided not to prosecute Flynn for lying to the FBI about his calls with the Russian ambassador.
/ Director Comey apparently still ok with touting 'new Hilary emails' right before the election though.
Another conspiracy theory emerging. Trump is holding a rally in Florida. Some believe that paid troublemakers posing as protesters will riot and give protesters a bad name, giving Trump an excuse to crack down and even impose martial law.
There were a fair few claims that the inauguration day riots were sparked by paid infiltrators too...
(Pretty sure I read this years ago in Judge Dredd. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_(Judge_Dredd_storyline)#The_Democratic_March )
Some people just like mayhem and they don't have to get paid. It's cathartic for them or something, and they get a high from the chaos and destruction. They may be on either end of the political spectrum. I used to work with a guy who was later seen interviewed on the news by a mutual acquaintance, who reported that he'd participated in protests against the WTO in Seattle in 1999 or 2000. This protest was marked by the smashing of windows at Starbucks. While working with this guy, I got the hear his stories about how he gleefully stole things from vending machines, etc. Other co-workers who knew him better began to find him repugnant, as he seemed to have no misgivings about hurting others if he could have fun wreaking havoc. He did crazy things for the fun of it, and he didn't express deep political thought to justify it. He seemed more driven by a need to embarrass his father.
But there are cases of undercover agents who have deliberately discredited groups by precipitating violence in the name of those groups; however, my faint knowledge of such cases is limited to what I recall about groups in the 60s. I've never researched that so don't want to venture any theories. Please (sorry if this sounds patronizing) always double check your sources, and then check their sources as well. At this point, we all need to be especially careful about the information we believe in and act on. And make room in your understanding of events for the role that petty human nature and petty human egos can play. Not everything is a conspiracy, and when it is, the conspiracy can go wrong. Control freaks aren't necessarily adept at managing.
In my experience, the vast majority of people who protest are not there to create problems, and often abhor violence. It doesn't take many people to disrupt a peaceful event, it just takes a few hooligans with the will for chaos.
And thank you to RamonMercado for posting the letter from Sens. Feinstein and Grassley. I'd like to request a link to the site it's from. (Don't worry, I'm not saying it's fake! I see it referenced many places.)
I haven't actually read any of this thread except the last half of this page, so please excuse any redundancies in my post -- and please excuse the length! I'm really tired, but had to respond, even without seeing all the posts. All of this, everything happening, seems to urgently require sharing thoughts and civil gestures.
Judiciary Committee Leaders Request Briefing, Documents on Flynn Resignation
The "any protesters are paid protesters" thing has been a Republican line for awhile now. Here's the head of the House Oversight Committee (too busy going after anyone tied to Clinton to look at Flynn, who they announced they will not investigate) using it for protests at his town hall meetings. https://thinkprogress.org/chaffetz-paid-protesters-town-hall-9f97e1f16d62#.r2raa8mtt
It's being used to not face their constituents.
You'd think with masses of people being paid (presumably via some organization) there would be some evidence of it, but there's not of course.
Remember this guy ?
...In July 1987, North was summoned to testify before televised hearings of a joint congressional committee that was formed to investigate the Iran–Contra scandal. During the hearings, North admitted that he had lied to Congress previously, for which and other actions he was later charged. He defended his actions by stating that he believed in the goal of aiding the Contras, whom he saw as freedom fighters against the Sandinistas and said that he viewed the Iran–Contra scheme as a "neat idea." North admitted shredding government documents related to these activities, at William Casey's suggestion, when the Iran–Contra scandal became public. He also testified that Robert McFarlane had asked him to alter official records to delete references to direct assistance to the Contras and that he had helped....
Senators Silent After Meeting With FBI Director Comey
Friday afternoon meeting came after votes finished for recess
Posted Feb 17, 2017 5:10 PM Niels Lesniewski
Not much can get between senators and a recess. Except, perhaps, FBI Director James B. Comey.
Members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, along with ex-officio member and Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer, huddled for a total of more than two hours on Friday with Comey.
The FBI director’s visit was not announced publicly, and it’s possible members of the Capitol Hill press corps only found out because he was spotted in the hallways and entered a secure room used for intelligence briefings.
But leaving that secure room in the Capitol Visitor Center, senators declined to even confirm the presence of the FBI director, much less the substance of the meeting. Those who did talk generally only gave “no comments” or referred questions to Intelligence Chairman Richard M. Burr and ranking member Mark Warner. ...
White House dismisses NSC aide after harsh criticism of Trump
Official complained about the president at a closed-door think tank gathering.
By ELIANA JOHNSON 02/18/17 02:21 PM EST
The White House abruptly dismissed a senior National Security Council aide on Friday after receiving reports that he had publicly laced into the president and his senior aides, including son-in-law Jared Kushner and daughter Ivanka Trump at an event hosted by a Washington think tank.
The aide, Craig Deare, was serving as the NSC's senior director for Western Hemisphere Affairs. Earlier in the week, at a private, off-the-record roundtable hosted by the Woodrow Wilson Center for a group of about two dozen scholars, Deare harshly criticized the president and his chief strategist Steve Bannon and railed against the dysfunction paralyzing the Trump White House, according to a source familiar with the situation. ...
He complained in particular that senior national security aides do not have access to the president -- and gave a detailed and embarrassing readout of Trump's call with Mexican president Enrique Pena Nieto.
McCain On Explosive Trump Dossier: 'The Russians Do Use Women And Sex'
By MATT SHUHAM Published FEBRUARY 18, 2017, 2:47 PM EDT
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said in an interview published Saturday that he takes Russian meddling in the 2016 election “more seriously than a physical attack.”
He also said that he "didn’t know what to make" of an explosive, and still largely unsubstantiated, dossier which alleged the Russian government had compromising information on President Donald Trump.
In a cover story for New York magazine published online Saturday, McCain projected a hawkish stance on Russia and said Russian interference in the American election had risked undermining “the foundation of democracy.”
McCain, in December of last year, was part of a bipartisan group of senators who requested the formation of a select committee to investigate Russian interference in the election. ...
Read New York’s full profile here.
Geez, everybody uses women and sex. Just ask any advertising agency!
Conspiracies et al aside something struck me today about Trump's odd behaviour. In particular the increasingly made observation that he gets his concept of objective reality from whatever is on his favourite cable channels, without any filter or fact checking.
Apart from any supposed personality disorders like narcissism or the likelihood of him having just blagged his way into the job and now shitting himself, I suspect there's something else going on with Donald Trump. Confusing what he saw on tv before sleep with objective reality, embarrassed aggression and denial or general imperviousness to factual correction, seeming mood swings, garbled incoherent speech using incomplete sentences which go off on tangents....all of this describes my own mother in the early years of her dementia.
I'm no doctor and maybe he's talked that way since he was 12. But he is 70 and I'd be willing to lay a very small bet Mr T will sooner or later start having heart stopping lapses in memory live on camera.
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