Conspiracy In The U.S. Election & Trump's Presidency

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  1. Kingsize Wombat

    Kingsize Wombat Ephemeral Spectre

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    And while it looks more and more likely that the Trump administration will be proven to have colluded with Russia, that doesn't mean the end of the road for the Trump (p)residency:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/trump-impeachment/547358/
     
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    Megadeth1977 Abominable Snowman

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    Spookdaddy Cuckoo

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    Jerusalem!

    Since this idea was mooted I've suspected that the travel ban was not about what was going on in the world just then, but a preemptive measure against what was going to happen when the announcement was made. This is warmongering, pure and simple - there's going to trouble even within Israel.
     
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  4. Yithian

    Yithian Bless you, Anti-Pesto! Staff Member

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    There's an argument in favour of the change and all that, but I don't think it's especially strong and I simply can't see a net gain on the cost vs benefit analysis. Certainly it was a campaign pledge, but neither a central or a particularly valuable one electorally.

    I don't believe that it's a princpled stance as Trump only has about four of those, being an arch pragmatist, so perhaps there is some occult motive in play here--though I'm damned if I can see what.
     
  5. Mythopoeika

    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    Or maybe he's been heavily lobbied by powerful interests?
     
  6. Yithian

    Yithian Bless you, Anti-Pesto! Staff Member

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    Offering?
     
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    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    Large amounts of cash?
     
  8. kamalktk

    kamalktk Justified & Ancient

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  9. Cochise

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    Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Seems only sensible to have your embassy there, as the past four US administrations all promised to do. And the sanctions against Russia are a nonsense anyway, especially given the behaviour of the EU and its 'Drang nach Osten'.
     
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    Not sensible in the current situation. Trump's supposed pragmatism has been shown up as nonsense - because the pragmatic thing to do would have been to leave well alone and to keep pushing both sides towards a shared agreement. Yes, it's an interminable situation, and it might take decades - but it is the sensible thing to do. I have no problem with Israel's claim to Jerusalem as its ideological capital, and moving towards that end, but under current circumstances this move is madness - and Trump's ridiculous claim that it will ease the peace process is akin to a 1972 British Government moving its administration to Derry under the claim that it will ease the Troubles.

    And what a posting that is going to be. I'm wondering if one of the factor's in Trump's proposed delay in actioning the process might be potential difficulties in staffing the gig.

    Edit: Probably gone off-road there. Feel free to slap my knees for going political.
     
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  11. Tribble

    Tribble Furry Idiot

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  12. Yithian

    Yithian Bless you, Anti-Pesto! Staff Member

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    Money means little after a certain point. It would have to be power and influence, but as President he has almost as much as it's possible for a man to have.

    I don't buy it.
     
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    That would depend on the character of the person in question, would it not? Trump strikes me as the type that too much is still not enough.
     
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    Perhaps Eric Julien was on to something after all. :abduct:
     
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    Yithian Bless you, Anti-Pesto! Staff Member

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    Not going to debate the issue because politics.
     
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    Offering not to release the pee tape.
     
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    To be honest, I would think his son-in-law had some influence in the decision. Put that along with this sentiment:

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel was profoundly grateful to Mr Trump, who had "bound himself forever with the history of the capital".

    You have all the motivation someone like Trump would need right there.
     
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  20. Kingsize Wombat

    Kingsize Wombat Ephemeral Spectre

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    I never considered myself a Christian, and certainly not an Evangelical, but some of the prophecies do eerily ring true now...

    [​IMG]
     
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    Bullseye Abominable Snowman

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    Maybe some of our US members can clarify this for me, but I've been reading that all of the Senate have repeatdely voted to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Isreal?.

    And how the hell can the New Crusaders liberate Jerusalem now?, Deus Vult.
     
  22. kamalktk

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    It allows the government to make Israel sort of happy without actually doing anything The original resolution called for recognition unless the President signed a declaration every six months saying "no" for national security reasons. The President always said no, because of what would obviously happen.

    So it was a convenient fiction for both sides.
     
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    Bullseye Abominable Snowman

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    That makes things clear, thanks.
     
  24. kamalktk

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    I don't think the graphics department at Fox News (diehard Trump supporters) thought this one all the way through.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Ermintruder Existential pixelfixer

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    Presumably most forum members will have seen this purported (unbroadcast) video of Trump from 1980. It does seem to be improbaby-prescient...unless, somehow, it is entirely real, and he actually does predict eg even the shape & substance of his future adversary (I'm sorry, but the interpretable description of Hillary as "a smile with very little brain" is sadly-true...and frighteningly-so, in terms of accuracy)

    Conspiracy candy....this video is the gift that keeps on giving. A gift for the season (sorry, has anyone else already posted it here?)

    Watch, wonder and please comment:
     
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    Why would you imagine this isn't entirely real?
     
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