Cattle Mutilations

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  1. GNC

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    Needs more ketchup?
     
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    Maybe some toxins, biological agents or levels of radiation accumulate in these parts of the cow's anatomy?
     
  3. GNC

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    Or more probably the softest parts of a dead cow are eaten by scavenging animals.
     
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    The Perverts From Outer Space scenario is much more reasonable, I think.

    It is argued that "known" UFO cases must be a small percentage of alien visits - if that is what they are. By the same token, cattle mutilation cases, which are quite common, represent overkill, if alien scientists are fixated with bovine anal sampling.

    Alien Delinquents, I tell you. Lock them all up . . . if we can catch them! :abduct::dhorse:
     
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    I reckon farmers are doing it. There's little fun to be had out in the sticks and it passes the time.
     
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    AlchoPwn Ephemeral Spectre

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    That assumes that it is cow anuses that the mutilators are after. Note the frequency of exsanguinations. Cattle contain around 10 gallons of blood. That's too much even for a giant vampire.
     
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    A gigantic black pudding has been sighted in Andromeda. It is believed to have been constructed by an alien race, eager to feed a black hole that threatened their planet! :atom:
     
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    AFAIK (and I've only scratched the surface) there are no known scavengers that could leave such neat remains, especially on the sheep and smaller mammals that have been found. In particular, the animals' tongues are sliced out near the base as if by a sharp blade (despite the jaws being shut when discovered), and the rectal/reproductive areas are very cleanly 'cored' rather than just being ripped out. There's also the almost-surgical removal of a small area of facial tissue and scouring of the bone underneath, while the rest is untouched.

    I've read various explanations for the lack of blood, from draining it to injecting very strong coagulants, or chemical agents that change its basic properties. There's never any blood found outside the animal, though.
     
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    It's easier to believe than the authorities acquiring decade after decade of a bovine anus collection. There's nothing special about those particular parts suggesting any use in long term experimentation.
     
  10. dr wu

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    That's what I have always thought since I first read about this years ago.
    I can see covert govt agents doing this to ck some type of toxin level.... But I still believe that the vast majority are predators and scavengers where the after effects just seemingly mimic the appearance of something strange.
    I can see no reason why space (or dimensional beings) aliens would want cow parts....it's simply too bizarre imho.
     
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    I do wonder if an actual surgeon has examined these supposedly "surgical procedures" - where did this medical idea start?
     
  12. dr wu

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    In the hey day of the 70's and into the early 80's the FBI had a man do a study...Kenneth Rommel...
    "Rommel's final report was 297 pages long and cost approximately US$45,000. It concluded that mutilations were predominantly the result of natural predation, but that some contained anomalies that could not be accounted for by conventional wisdom. The FBI was unable to identify any individuals responsible for the mutilations. Details of the investigation are now available under the Freedom of Information Act. The released material includes correspondence from Rommel where he states that "most credible sources have attributed this damage to normal predator and scavenger activity."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_mutilation#U.S._governmental_explanation
    The various 'surgical aspects' are talked about in the wiki link as well as the various theories.
     
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    Blood is the first part of a carcase to commence decomposition. That’s why we bleed carcases immediately after killing the animal. IIRC decomposition begins as soon as four minutes after death.

    I’d suggest that a body might appear bloodless for several reasons:

    1. Livor mortis: the blood pools in the lower parts of the body due to gravity.

    2. Considerable quantities of blood can be lost as foam through natural (or otherwise...) orifices.

    3. The animal simply bled to death.

    4. Predation. Canines will lap blood.

    Who’s for breakfast?

    maximus otter
     
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    There are plenty of theories out there regarding cattle mutilation. I have heard the Government, Aliens, Skinwalkers, Bigfoot, Satanic Cultists, mean kids, and even natural predators mentioned.

    I would like to add another possibility to the list.

    While many people have suggested that they thought it was a US government cover-up (for those mutilations occurring exclusively in the USA) the fact remains that this is an international problem.

    I would like to put forwards a disturbing alternative. It relates to the possibility of Alzheimers disease being transmitted by a prion:
    https://www.nature.com/news/the-red-hot-debate-about-transmissible-alzheimer-s-1.19554

    I am not going to make claims about Aliens, not about a government conspiracy, but instead discuss the possibility that Cattle Mutilations are actually a "corporate externality".

    Now prions were discovered in the 1960s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion
    To date we simply don't know how much prions affect the world. The assumption is that most prions are harmless except for the one that causes Creutzfeld Jacob Disease. The truth of the matter is that there may well be many diseases with unknown causes that are actually the result of prions. Prions are hard to detect and often behave much like viruses, causing people to assume they are dealing with a virus based disease, when, perhaps not?

    Now suppose there is a large organization that has at some point made it their business to properly investigate prions, and have found out that they are far more problematic and widespread than current science suggests. Of course that is a big IF. Consider the possibility that such an organization suffers from exposure to legal and financial blow-back from the discovery of prions that they have been releasing as part of their commercial activities. Assuming that the company in question can afford military hardware like silent blackhawk helicopters and special-ops teams, the question would then become, why do this study covertly and not simply buy single animals from various locations, perhaps having the identity of the study concealed via holding companies (the same question might be leveled at most of the conspiracies on the list though). Is this a way of conducting covert mission training exercises while also gathering scientific data, "mutilating two cows with one stone" perhaps?

    The reason I have raised this is that the checklist for the cattle mutilations seems consistent with the organs and blood taken in testing for Creutzfeld Jacob Disease.

    Now, am I seriously suggesting that Monsanto is behind Cattle Mutilations? No. I'm just having a guess.
     
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  15. dr wu

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    Yithian Intergalactic Space Crusader Staff Member

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    I don't know whether this has been mentioned already, but could I change the thread title to

    Cattle Moo-tilations

    ?
     
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    I vote 'no' ... One of the reasons for problematic proliferation of multiple threads on a given topic is that some of them are hidden under cutesy titles, aren't readily locatable using a search, and thus get overlooked by members looking to add a posting on the given subject.

    More cute titles here and there = more topical fragmentation = more time and effort for the moderator staff to try and keep things reasonably organized.
     
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    You're right, don't want to make more work for those poor moderators!
     
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    Phew. Good sense prevails.
     
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    How about "The Cored-Arsehole Thread of the Bovine Kind"?
     
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    Colavito blames Vallée.

    How Jacques Vallée Helped Create the Myth that Space Aliens Mutilate Cattle
    7/4/2018

    Today is Independence Day, and what could be more American than to take a look at how a Frenchman convinced people across the United States that illegal aliens from outer space were threatening their supply of steak and cheese? Today, we’re going to take a look at how Jacques Vallée helped to invent the myth that flying saucers were mutilating cattle. It’s a sad, dumb story, and the short form is: He put it in a movie, so the public believed it because they saw it on screen.

    Our story starts with Charles Fort, who wrote about cattle mutilations in the thirteenth chapter of part one of Lo!(1931), attributing attacks on sheep in Britain in the 1800s and early 1900s to an unknown species of vampire bat or some unknown type of dog, with an implication—never explicitly developed—that a werewolf was involved. The authorities of the time attributed the deaths to feral dogs, but not everyone agreed. Fort quoted from the Daily Mail in 1905, which had a police officer saying, “I have seen two of the carcasses, myself, and can say definitely that it is impossible for it to be the work of a dog. Dogs are not vampires, and do not suck the blood of a sheep, and leave the flesh almost untouched.” While we would immediately recognize the description as being the same type now (falsely) attributed to the Chupacabra, the Chupacabra myth did not yet exist, so the story was merely one more weird thing in Fort’s chronicle of half-understood weird things, with the specter of the werewolf hanging over what would become the legend of the Chupacabra. ...

    http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/h...te-the-myth-that-space-aliens-mutilate-cattle
     
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    With $billions (?) at stake, why perform such a simple task in the one way guaranteed to attract the attention of obsessives?

    If you want to dip-sample herds for prions, just buy a few cows, then burn or bury the “waste material”.

    A classic case of the Streisand Effect.

    maximus otter
     
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    IMHO Colavito is simply full of it....I have read all of Dr Vallee's books over the last 40 years ...and he has never attributed the cattle mute phenom to aliens. Colavito must either be reading the wrong books or his reading skills are simply terrible. As a matter of fact Dr Vallee more or less abandoned the ETH very early on compared to other ufologists but at any rate has never blamed outer space aliens for cattle mutes. BTW...This is not the first time I have read negative comments on Vallee and others specifically by this Colavito person. It seems like he has tried to make a name for himself by bashing others in the area. Dr Vallee is even quoted twice in his own article saying he doesn't think it's a valid idea yet Colavito continues to try and use it in the article. That borders on bad writing ..period.
    The cattle mute thing took off after Strange Harvest by Howe.....she had far more to do with it than any other single person.
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6362274/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Moulton_Howe
     
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    An interesting program...does mention cattle mutes but the whole thing was interesting...not sure where to post this.

     
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    Doesn't the bovine fetish of aliens date back a lot longer? The Hamilton case comes from the US scareship wave of the 1890s. Were there medieval cases? Those ships-in-the-sky were usually dropping their anchors on churches but a bit of cow-vulva must have tempted them now and then . . . :bdown:
     

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