British Politics & General Election 2017

Discussion in 'Mainstream News Stories' started by rynner2, Apr 18, 2017.

  1. bushkindle

    bushkindle New Member

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    The thing is many people have a dislocated view of the benefit system. Its a domain of some alien breed of scroungers, not a welfare system that they possibly might have to rely on themselves.

    I work with some fiftysomethings who one day were complaining about how they 'as taxpayers' were funding benefit claimants. Within five minutes they weretalking about looking forward to their free bus passes when they turned 60. As if the money for free bus travel comes from fresh air.

    If self interest is king, Labour should usethat self interest to defend the benefit system. They should hammer home the point that its a crucial safety net that ANYONE might have to rely on. Something like 'You, yes YOU, need there to be a welfare system. That homeless person you sniff at on your way home from work, don't think that cant happen to you - it can. Here's why you should listen...etc' .
     
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  2. Coastaljames

    Coastaljames Justified and Ancient

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    Undoubtedly. Both those that use it and those that don't.

    Yep. However- there are a lot of scroungers. I speak as someone that works very closely with vulnerable people. There are a lot of deserving people and there are a a lot of people effectively taking the piss.

    They could do I guess...maybe...I guess people don't like hearing bad news. It's like being told you should organise your will and funeral. We all should do, but not many of us actually want to, and thousands never do...




    I'm concious I'm all over this thread like a rash. Apologies to anyone that this annoys.
     
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  3. bushkindle

    bushkindle New Member

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    Yes, I agree there are those who scrounge the system. The point I was making is that the basic idea of a welfare system, a safety net, should be presented as a 'good thing' if not a crucial thing.

    People dont like hearing bad news, true. Again, it could be presented as a good thing that the 'safety net' is there. And indeed the 'bad news' of austerity has been pushed across for a while now.
     
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    BaronHardacre Great Old One

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    Meanwhile in the Banana Republic of Unite...:

    From what I've read, the first sample of the ballot shows it to be very close,with Coyne just ahead.
    If rumour is to be believed, the above action took place after that sample.
     
  5. Coastaljames

    Coastaljames Justified and Ancient

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    Yep. But people have brought into the bullshit haven't they...

    Yep. But people have brought into the bullshit haven't they...
     
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  6. ramonmercado

    ramonmercado CyberPunk

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    There may be genuine reasons for his suspension, misuse of data, Data Protection Commissioner is also involved. If this is just skullduggery then Coyne should have little problem getting a court order lifting the suspension until the full hearing of the case.

    For the record I was supporting the independent candidate: http://www.ian4unite.org/
     
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    Losing two top aides within a week looks like carelessness. If this happened to Corbyn then the MSM would make a big issue of it.

    Theresa May’s press secretary quits
    Press Secretary Lizzie Loudon is the second departure from the prime minister’s team in a week.

    By CHARLIE COOPER 4/21/17, 1:29 PM CET Updated 4/21/17, 1:30 PM CET

    LONDON — Theresa May’s inner circle has seen its second high-profile departure in the space of a week, after the prime minister’s press secretary Lizzie Loudon announced she was quitting Friday.

    Loudon follows director of communications Katie Perrior, whose exit was confirmed on Tuesday, the day May called a snap election.

    The prime minister’s official spokeswoman Helen Bower, and her deputy Greg Swift, have also left Number 10 in recent months, with Bower joining the Foreign Office and Swift moving to the Department for Exiting the European Union. ...

    http://www.politico.eu/article/theresa-mays-press-secretary-quits/
     
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    ramonmercado CyberPunk

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    Imagine this was Corbyn. Then imagine how the MSM would report it.

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    McCluskey wins 59,000 votes to Coyne's 53,500.
    Turnout of 12%.
     
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    Coastaljames Justified and Ancient

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  11. jimv1

    jimv1 Analogue Boy

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    Er,,,, Corbyn's lost a lot of people from under him. Iirc, a former Campaign Director quit recently.

    Alan Johnson quit. Gisela quits, among several others. You can't seriously make this argument about May in relation to the mass of bodies who have previously distanced themselves from Corbyn, surely?
     
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    Some MPs stand down at every election.

    This is a case of May's Press Secretary leaving just as she calls an election. Careless.
     
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    Bad turnout.

    Still, Ian got 17,000 votes, not bad seeing as he was up against two well funded campaigns.
     
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    A picture paints thousand words. But these two paint a million.

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    They're doing the maths in their heads for how far away they can get before the house lands on her.
     
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    smokehead Great Old One

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    Interesting line up in the May photo.
    The lady with the black hair looks like she has literally been bored to death.
    The red headed guy next to her is obviously all 'yeah, right'
    The lady in the blue overalls next to him has fallen asleep and the blonde girl in glasses looks to have made a decent start on a wtf?
     
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  18. jimv1

    jimv1 Analogue Boy

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    A while ago, I mentioned that the Tories would be concentrating on Corbyn's perceived terrorist connections. Coming pretty smartly out of the traps is the Telegraph.



    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ries-real-extremists-slogan-amid-fears-could/
     
  19. jimv1

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    It looks like she got them all together in one room to tell them they have to have their dogs put down.
     
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  20. ramonmercado

    ramonmercado CyberPunk

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    Or that she gave their dogs to Kim as a present.
     
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