Besides Patterson/Gimlin....

Discussion in 'Cryptozoology: Manbeasts & Mystery Apes' started by Dunbaraj, Sep 26, 2016.

  1. oldrover

    oldrover Justified & Ancient

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    Too true.

    Yes, we're not ever going to be able to demonstrate 100% that the PG film is a set up, but we can, and have I think shown it to be so beyond reasonable doubt. And the herniation is as you say nonsense.

    There's now a theory that it was the result of a bullet strike during the filming.
    I disagree with that, I know of scientists who are, I don't mean to the extent of the ones I suspect you've encountered, but they can definitely hold their own amongst European trackers.

    I like a cryptid story too, always have, always will. I'm not so keen on bigfoot and it drives me mad when I see the thylacine treated as an Australian Nessie (as opposed to the sound researchers who still look for it), but I still love cryptozoology even though for me all the cryptids are extinct.
     
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    MetroGnome Devoted Cultist

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    Yeah, I'm still holding out some hope that a thylacine may yet show up... :)
     
  3. oldrover

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    I'm not I'm afraid. I am holding out hope for a colour photo to turn up one day though.
     
  4. Coal

    Coal Polymath Renaissance Man

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    ...and yet he can't give us one single DNA sample that can be independently (and peer) verified as 'something unknown.
     
  5. stuneville

    stuneville Amministratore principale Staff Member

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    Yep. In fact all the DNA stuff, from people as dubious as Melba Ketchum to the very reputable Brian Sykes just opens up more controversies. There have been many allusions to "unknown" or "hominid" DNA over the years, but that's it.
     
  6. Coal

    Coal Polymath Renaissance Man

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    One my personal heuristics for evaluating the likelihood of a crytpid's existence is:

    "If such a thing exists would it be very very reasonable to expect to have got hold of a DNA sample by now?"

    In the case of Bigfoot, were it to exist, the answer is almost certainly 'Yes', but still we have no such sample.
     
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    Once we have proof it ceases to be a cryptid :).
     
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  8. oldrover

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    :eek:
     
  9. stuneville

    stuneville Amministratore principale Staff Member

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    Yes - he's Emertius Professor of Human Genetics at Oxford. He's not some fringey-type.
     
  10. Coal

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    Well, true. Well spotted.:D
     
  11. oldrover

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    Not that it's relevant, but between these two replies I've fallen of a bank, noted my arm had taken on a funny shape, been to A&E, examined, X-rayed, re-examined, treated and discharged home. Not bad that.

    I'm not sure what his affiliations are now with Oxford, but they were over played and exposed during the bigfoot analyses thing. His reputation as a geneticist isn't that sound. He's made several errors, the ancient polar bear business for example, also this latest affair with Zana and Khwit.
     
  12. Mythopoeika

    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    Hope your arm is OK.
     
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    take care rover
     
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    Thanks titch. It was a freak gardening accident. 'Freak', because I don't usually indulge in horticulture, won't be doing it again in a hurry either. I have won a week off work though.
     
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    Result! Seriously, hope it's ok.
     
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    Mind that arm!
     
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    Spinal Tap lost a drummer to that shit. Watch out Man.
     
  18. oldrover

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    Thanks all. It's fine, I did have to go to ITU straight from A&E though, but only to tell them I wouldn't be in in the morning and gain some sympathy from my colleagues. So I'm well placed to keep an eye.

    It just struck me that you never know what goes on between posts.

     
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  19. Mythopoeika

    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    It's important to make sure that those posts are firmly in the ground.
     
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    I still believe that it is the case. I don't remember what was the ratio upper/lower leg measured by a number of students of the film (which they concluded to be intermediate between human and ape), but it can be seen by comparison on the pictures from the X-Creatures recreations, or the film about J├╝rgen Konczak's works linked above. No, it's not a proof of authenticity, as it was probably possible at the time to replicate every feature of the creature, and not only the face - which was doable, as show John Chamber's make-up works on Planet of the Apes (I'm not mentioning him because of the many rumours implying him, which remain rumours and prove only their own existence, but because of what he was able to perform as a special-effects artist in this era). A complex mechanism, based on the use of rods, was not outside the realm of possibility. But even without taking that into account (the argument over a finger movement is certainly controversial), the suit and the face could not be performed by anybody.

    I have considerd the possibility, as it is certainly too difficult to check if the prints were exactely at the same place than where the footage showed the creature to walk. But it would require to put really a lot of pressure, and to repeat it for each print.
     
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    I'm actually writing a piece for FT at the moment that covers all of the above. There are a vast number of discrepancies, but what I'm finding in research is how much eminent and respected experts in biomechanics and anatomy completely disagree with one another :).

    I'm not saying any more than that. You'll have to wait til it comes out!
     
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    Can you blag a funky Big Foot front cover ? ... I want a funky Big Foot cover as well ..
     
  23. stuneville

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    Not up to me, but as it's the big 5-0 in October for Patty it may well do.
     
  24. oldrover

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    I'm not sure how scientific they were being analysing a film.
     
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    The newest video from M.K. ...

     
  26. Cynical Apathist

    Cynical Apathist Log off and get a life!

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    The film is not all that good, anyway, and the original print is lost. After a while the analysis of the 'enhanced' copies becomes wishful thinking.
     
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    Known to the rest of us as "shoes".
     
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    Huh ?
     
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    You asked for a big foot cover, the rest of us call them shoes. (sorry, fairly lame play on words).
     
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    time for......:tumble:
     

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