Berenstain Vs Berenstein & The Mandela Effect

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  1. GNC

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    I know, I've met Siobhans.
     
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    ramonmercado CyberPunk

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    If you meet a Shivaun then she's definitely an Alien trying to pass as human.
     
  3. Peripart

    Peripart Antediluvian

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    Agreed - lots of this interesting in its own way, but we're getting further and further from what people would think of as the "Mandela Effect". Just because I learn something new, it doesn't follow that up until then, I'd been living in an alternative universe where it never existed!
     
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    Mythopoeika I am a meat popsicle

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    An episode in the new run of The X-Files focuses on the Mandela Effect.

    Is a Darin Morgan episode so has that tongue in cheek vibe, quite amusing in places.
     
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    Min Bannister Justified & Ancient

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    I saw the video for Chain Reaction today and remembered that I have a Mandela moment for it. A few years ago I saw this video for the first time, possibly since it came out and I was pleased because I wanted to see the fabulous blue fishtail dress Diana Ross wears in it. I was really shocked then to see that the dress is actually red. My husband remembers it as being red. I think there might be an explanation though as he pointed out that the silver dress she wears later in the video shows up sort of blue in places. I think I must have mixed the two dresses together in my mind and come out with a light blue fishtail dress.
     
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    Kingsize Wombat Ephemeral Spectre

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    Well - here's a rebuke for the A-Team Van. A contemporary catalogue for A-Team related toys. It clearly shows the A-Team Van being silver and black - not just black.

    [​IMG]
     
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    TBH I think this one picture diffuses whatever "Mandela Effect" disputes there are about the color scheme of that van since this single picture shows both the gray-red-black variant and the black-red-only variant (labelled "J" in the pic).

    To my mind, it was black with a red flash and no gray/silver. A lot of toys aren't precisely "on model" for the show/movie they relate to. Designers think kids don't care / won't notice, I guess. Perhaps some of the time they're right. Perhaps some other times they end up polluting the erstwhile kids' with confused adult memories of the character/car/whatever having possessed some variation that actually only existed in a cheap toy.

    FWIW, I love this "Mandela Effect" concept. It's so much fun to imagine and so subjective - so incredibly hard to argue with people's memories. But I rather doubt there's any underlying truth to it.
     
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  9. Vardoger

    Vardoger Skeptical by nature

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    Here's a photo from the set of the original series. It looks "silvery". I am noticing there are toy cars in full black with the red line.

    A-Team-Van-Ready-for-Action.jpg
     
  10. Kingsize Wombat

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    No - It brings into focus one of the roots of the problem. There were both kinds of toys out there - and there still are.
    Agreed. I'm only discussing it because it's fun. I too remembered the van being all black - but I don't have a problem admitting that my memories can be faulty. And I do think this whole thing is just people's false memories. Nothing else to see here.
     
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  11. EnolaGaia

    EnolaGaia I knew the job was dangerous when I took it ...

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    The version used in the TV series was grey or silver over black, with a red dividing strip.

    The version used in the (later) movie was a charcoal grey so dark it appeared as black as the black, with a similar red dividing strip. The movie version often appears to be all-black with a red stripe.
     
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    In the catalogue pic above...

    When did they have a hard-top version of Face's Corvette?

    Anyway, Wikipedia reckons "The van was commonly said to be all-black,[citation needed] but the section above the red stripe was metallic gray."
     
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    They didn't. And that's the point - the toys were made any old which way. And people often remember the toys better than the actual cars on the TV.
     
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    You mean Kojak didn't have a bloke with a gun continually hanging out the back window of his motor on TV?
     
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    Vardoger Skeptical by nature

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    I had a Kojak toy car with a guy hanging out the back window with a gun.
    Got it for christmas in the middle of the 70s I think. And here it is! Photo from the internet.


    vintage-1975-corgi-290-kojak-buick-regal-diecast-toy-car.jpg

     
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    Weird they forgot to put in Telly Savalas actually driving the vehicle.
     
  17. Kingsize Wombat

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    They didn't. He came as a different figure separate from the car.

    [​IMG]
     
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    The A Team van being silver at the top blows my mind. It absolutely was not silver at the top in the 1980s!
     
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    Well I wasn't silver at the top in the 1980s either and now look at me.
     
  20. Swifty

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    And neither was the one at Universal Studios that was counterbalanced so kid's could lift it .. my parents have got a photo somewhere of me lifting this same van in '86 ..

    ateamvan.jpg

    ... plus we were taken to watch this live A Team show and the van used for this also looks all black and red ..

     
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    You're right, it wasn't silver. It was metallic grey (according to Wikipedia.....)
     
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    Slightly clearer set photo (with BA/stunt BA driving):

    [​IMG]
     
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    Looks like they're surrounded! Are you sure these aren't Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid toys?
     
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    henry still speeding

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    interestingly, i seem to have found my own personal mandella (sic) effect, regarding a french indie film from the 80s

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagabond_(film)

    i clearly remember it being called vagabonde, as the protagonist is a young girl who goes off the rails (sandrine bonnaire)

    although vagabond and vagabonde are pronounced the same (i believe) ... the title refers to a female character hence was the feminine form (if such form exists, and if it didnt they coined it for the movie) ...

    what makes me so certain is the juxtaposition between the word as pronounced and its typical meaning, and the form of the actual vagabond(e) in the movie, far from the traditional interpretation of the word
     
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    He looks like, in this picture, the exact amount of fools he'd suffer would be zero.
     
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    He wouldn't even suffer them, he'd pity them.
     
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    Swifty The Great Glass Elevator

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    That's true, he'd covert baddies barns into engineering workshop courses for fools .. he's good like that.


    ... and the director's cut of that Marathon advert ..

     
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    I have books from the 1980s that call the film Vagabond, without any "e", so it's always been that way.
     
  29. Kingsize Wombat

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    No! "They" have gone back into the past and altered the books. Just like they removed Dolly's braces from all existing Moonraker copies!
     
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    AgProv Master of Uncertainty and Doubt

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    Wasn't there an adventure story pretty like this that ran in The Dandy in the 1950's - 60's? Members of an intrepid family with a "mad inventor" uncle or grandfather, escaping, in a Mcgyver garage-built submarine, from one of Her Majesty's Enemies... Either you're turning a memory of the comic you once read into a movie, or my memory of seeing the same movie has been turned, by my mind, into a comic...
     
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